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    carojoncarojon
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    Another Spanish third rate is fitted out to join the growing squadron, with the addition of the 80-gun Montanes class ship Neptuno.

    The Neptuno was built just prior to the Spanish joining the French in their war with Britain in 1796 and would end her days in that alliance when wrecked on shore close to Cadiz following the Battle of Trafalgar in 1805.

    If you would like to know more then follow the link to JJ’s

    https://jjwargames.blogspot.com/2020/07/all-at-sea-on-stocks-in-jjs-dockyard_31.html

    JJ

    http://jjwargames.blogspot.co.uk

    #141580
    ThomastonThomaston
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    Are you going to do the Monarca next?
    I’m curious is the difference in number of guns due to calibre? 74-80-75 and why the odd number on the Monarca?

    Tired is enough.

    #141591
    carojoncarojon
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    Hi,

    Yes I will be doing the Monarca along with the Argonauta and San Justo when I complete the Third Rates of Renown box set from Warlord in the next series of posts.

    The Monarca is generally referred to as a third rate 74-gun ship of the line. The number of guns refers solely to the long guns carried and is nothing to do with calibre or weight of shot fired which could be quite different from one 74-gun ship to another.

    The number of guns is often a bone of contention as sources can vary, with different gun arrangements over time, as can the weight of the ball fired by those long guns, with the different navies having heavier or lighter pounds. On top of that, once the British designed the light weight gun called the carronade that fired a very heavy ball at a relatively short range, designed to smash the enemy ships side in with ball shot and grape, the actual pounds of shot delivered in a broadside multiplied massively in some cases. However carronades were generally not included in the gun rating of a ship.  As you will see Neptuno was reportedly fitted out for Trafalgar with 72 long guns and 18 obussiers, effectively 90 guns if you include her short range carronades

    I think the best way of comparing one ship to another is by looking at the broadside weight of shot delivered by its long guns and add in the carronade/obussier (French & Spanish) poundage to compare one with another.

    The War by Sail rules I started playing with before the lockdown really captures these differences in gun load out quite nicely and allows the gamer to set up their ship according to these different gunnery arrangements.

    https://jjwargames.blogspot.com/search/label/War%20by%20Sail

    Hope that helps

    JJ

     

    http://jjwargames.blogspot.co.uk

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