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For larger scale battles I highly recommend Cold War Commander. As I don’t normally play skirmish, with the exception of the Quar games, I can’t recommend but they’re all over the place these days.
Have you thought about using Fist Full of Tows 3? – it is pitched at Brigade level (1 stand = 1 platoon), has an easy learning curve and has stats for both WW2 and Cold War kit included as the ruleset covers both periods. If you have a few players it can also handle Divisional sized battles well and there is also a good Yahoo group to support the rules.
RJ Jim – funny you should mention using the Austro-Hungarians, I very nearly went down this route too – I was going to equip them with Austrian and Czech kit with FUG’s as well and use the Swiss Pz61/68 as tanks, probably with Swedish aircraft too. Rest of Europe was going to be as it was at start of WW1. I actually have a ‘historical’ Austrian Cold War PanzerGrenadier Brigade done using H&R’s new models – the Kurassier model is very good and the Saurer APC’s aint bad too.
What I’m actually doing now is just assuming that WW2 didn’t happen somehow and so no Warsaw Pact and those countries have different kit – one of the problems for Cold War gaming for me is the boredom of always having one side with Soviet (or near as) equipment. I’ve just started on the Poles and will bung a few pictures up on here when I’ve finished a few. I figure that I could either go down the route of doing campaigns of WW2 using modern stuff (the thought of a modern DAK and Italians vs Brits and Commonwealth in the desert particularly appeals!) or Europe vs Soviet Union.
Jim – I’m going to try and base each ‘new’ TO&E on real life ones with their equipment but with some tweaks.
My Poles are based on Nigerian equipment mix but with some slight changes as I wanted them to have Vickers mk.3 MBT as their main tank – figured that the Poles would have their ‘own’ tank and there is a history of them using Vickers tanks, I am thinking on what other tank to use as their most up to date one – I wanted to go with the Brazillian EET-1 as turret was developed by Vickers.
APC’s are a mix of Austrian 4k4’s and Grizzly’s – wanted to use Stormers as well but had problem with models – recon will be a mix of AML’s, Scorpion-90’s and VBC-90’s.
The good thing about doing this that I like is that you can use kit that didn’t get taken up by armies in real time line – as long as there’s a model for it, at the moment I’m quite gutted that there’s no OF-40 tanks in 6mm!
Jim – thanks! I did buy a couple of Osorio’s and was going to use it as is but there’s something about the gun on it, were yours really long and thin? The Finns are going to get the Vickers too by the way (also might substitute it for the Leopard in Canadian or Australian armies). As for the OF-40 I guess I’ll have to use a Leopard 1a4 as a proxy unless it is on H&R’s to do list…. a Palmaria SPG would be ace too!
Mike – would be good to check out an AAR or some piccies?
Tim – that is exactly what me and a mate at school did, we used the WRG rules and whatever models we bought with a rule that we could not have what the other had. Unfortunately my Panther/Leopard force was never a match for Andy’s Chieftains but a few valuable lessons were learnt about indirect approaches and the need for flanking!
Also good to see that I’m not the only one doing this – gives me some impetus to start the old blog!
Mike – I’d go with 6mm as you can get a lot of tanks/vehicles/troops on the table and do large scale battles without needing to hire a hall to do so! Check out the following companies: Heroics & Ros, Scotia Grendel, GHQ and C-in-C. The first two are UK based and are 1/300th and are quite cheap per model, quality of the models does vary but once painted up and based nicely look fine; the last two are 1/285th, US based, more expensive but mostly better detailed – I don’t have any of these so going by reputation and photo’s.
Jim – I’d like to hear more about your stuff/take a look at it, do you have a blog at all? BTW – I’ve clipped a bit off the end of the Osorio’s gun and it has made a great difference.
Don’t have a blog, Iain, and still haven’t acted on my plans to post pics here via flickr several months after first considering the option
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