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  • #161789
    Jim Webster
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    This is a reasonably ‘generic’ scenario giving a twist to ‘counter insurgency’ and ‘colonial policing’

    Assisting the Civil Power. A scenario for many periods.

    Whilst it’ll work for most modern conflicts it’ll probably do everything 20th century and SF.

     

    #161821
    Andrew Beasley
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    Interesting idea and would run well as a Cyberpunk game I think. Personally, the first ones I would round up are the ‘three old ladies sitting on a bench’ – bound to be trouble makers in disguise!

    The only rule set for games like this I have ever tried are the old Irregular Minis Riot game but was put off by the poor minis.

    I wonder if it could be done without figures as a matrix style game? I know Bob Cordery is working on a reprint of his set of rules for matrix games but I’ve only ever watched one at Newark many years ago.

    #161842
    Jim Webster
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    The three ladies would obviously know far too much 🙂

    I wanted to integrate riot into proper military activity which, at the time, I don’t think anybody had done. With regard to the matrix game, it’s something I have wanted to try, but I want to see it played by people who know what they’re doing so I can grasp the concepts properly. I have no doubt that it would work for this sort of scenario

    #161861
    Patrice
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    Very interesting ideas, thanks.

    Depending on events, some insurgents units “quality” could perhaps upgrade during the game also.

    We have been using rioters in skirmish games of earlier periods, suddenly appearing from nowhere (from the local population of course) and handled by the GM or referee to complicate the mission of a player or another; for example: HYW townsfolk taking weapons to support the other side; or 1790s French Republican extremists appearing and storming a jail to murder a captive priest (which made the Royalist peasants furious in the next fights when they heard it) just when the Republican governor and most of the garrison were out of town to fight the Royalists Chouans.

    You do not mention (perhaps on purpose) the possibility to have a military unit trained and equipped for riot control. It can make a big difference when facing rioters who don’t have firearms.

    https://www.marines.mil/News/News-Display/Article/782030/crisis-response-marines-french-gendarmerie-conducts-riot-control-training/

    http://www.argad-bzh.fr/argad/en.html
    https://www.anargader.net/

    #161864
    Jim Webster
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    With Hell and Uncivil Disorder the mob doesn’t get firearms as such. (Mob with firearms is best categorised as ‘thug’)
    It is assumed that the troops will default to the use of  ‘non-lethal force’ which will be baton rounds or the equivalent.

    But there is the provision for ‘accidental use of lethal force’ when the unit has a morale failure and panics.

    Also you can order troops to use lethal force but that does have knock on consequences.

    I do have the insurgent quality more variable when it works for the scenario but here I wanted to provide a definite increase in the level of threat. It was more easily accomplished if the guerrillas were a known entity.

    But I could have had at lower levels of threat a chance system with the guerrillas being more likely to be gunmen and at a higher level of threat them having more chance to be riflemen

     

     

    #161976
    Patrice
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    ‘accidental use of lethal force’ when the unit has a morale failure and panics.

    That’s what I meant. And there are infamous examples of use of lethal force, without panic, because troops had to forbid a crowd to reach some building etc. but had not riot control equipment (shields etc.) nor training for this. That’s why I mentioned the French Gendarmerie, whose presence is now considered necessary amongst other French troops when in foreign countries (in Africa etc.) as it is both a military and police force.

    http://www.argad-bzh.fr/argad/en.html
    https://www.anargader.net/

    #161977
    Jim Webster
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    From memory, George MacDonald Fraser, describes crowd control using ordinary infantry in ‘ The Complete McAuslan’ which occurs after the end of WW2.

    Certainly troops need a lot of training to get it right. What is intriguing is that whilst British troops have been used regularly to ‘assist the civil power’ its basically been to provide competent logistics and similar which government departments seem unable to provide.
    They were used in Northern Ireland to support the police but the situation was complicated by the potential presence of ‘snipers’ or at least gunmen in the area.

     

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