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  • #25103
    Jonathan Gingerich
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    Elsewhere, Warlord Games new page on the French Chasseurs à  Cheval, seems to have caught Sparker‘s eye.  It’s a nice piece of fluff to sell their new minis.  And there’s nothing wrong with fluff, so long as it’s good fluff.  So how did they do on the basics?  The uniform facings of the French Chasseurs à  Cheval are pretty straightforward.  Here is a site with an excellent presentation:

    http://www.histomin.com/wppaintguide/paintguidenap/paintguidenapFR/pgchasseursfr.htm

    I might quibble whether yellow is an adequate translation of jonquil but I’m a quibbler.  And another site also fine:

    http://blundersonthedanube.blogspot.com/2011/02/french-chasseurs-cheval.html

    By comparison, the table in this:

    http://www.warlordgames.com/napoleons-eyes-and-ears-the-chasseurs-a-cheval-of-the-french-army/

    is lacking.  It was drawn from Partridge and Oliver’s Napoleonic Army Handbook: The French Army and Her Allies Vol 2 as, sort of, cited.  I have only seen the first volume so I don’t know if the errors are in the original or occurred in the transcription, but obviously the 23d and 24th should have dark orange (capucine) cuffs, the 17th and 18th did not exist, and AFAIAA the lapels were green.  Gold and lilac are not good choices for aurore and amaranthe.

    Okay, there is competition:

    http://www.napoleonguide.com/cavalry_frcolcac.htm

    And Wikipedia has an article:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniforms_of_La_Grande_Arm%C3%A9e#Horse_Chasseurs

    and  another version:

    http://self.gutenberg.org/articles/uniforms_of_la_grande_arm%C3%A9e

    Clearly either someone is busily propagating bad information, or someone’s bad information is getting plagarized

    The internet opens a lot of doors, but you need to be careful which you chose.

    #25116
    janner
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    If you approach the author via the Black Powder Facebook page, you’ll find him quite open to improving his piece.

    http://jannersjaunt.blogspot.dk

    #25117
    Bandit
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    The internet is also bad at color which doesn’t explain this problem but also doesn’t help the issue.

    Cheers,

    The Bandit

    #25119
    Sparker
    Participant

    So we’ve compared a wargames company’s product release painting guide with dedicated Napoleonic uniform sites and found it wasn’t quite 100% correct? Well howdy dowdy – who’d ha thought Eh! Pick a medal sir, any medal!

    What they will do with this guide is increase interest amongst casual gamers in the Napoleonic period in general, and Chasseurs in particular, by lowering the ‘entry bar’. Once they’re hooked, they will probably do the research for themselves, if they are not put off by too much sniffery from grognards!

    http://sparkerswargames.blogspot.com.au/
    'Blessed are the peacekeepers, for they shall need to be well 'ard'
    Matthew 5:9

    #25124
    General Slade
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    Jonathan, this is the second attack you have made on Sparker. This time you have started a thread purely to criticise a link posted on TMP. If you want to take part in a debate on TMP maybe it would make more sense to actually post your reply there rather than here.   And when you do post here try to remember that Wheaton’s Law applies.

    #25126
    Sparker
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    Well thank you very kindly, mon General!

    What’s interesting is the generally very positive reception the painting guide received over on TMP.

    http://sparkerswargames.blogspot.com.au/
    'Blessed are the peacekeepers, for they shall need to be well 'ard'
    Matthew 5:9

    #25159
    Jonathan Gingerich
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    General Slade,

    I don’t care to contribute at The Miniatures Page because of issues with the management and frustrations with the level of conversation.

    If you read my post and followed the links, you would see I critique a number of websites I found with a quick Google search.  My point is that one needs examine links and discriminate.  Tango is there for those who don’t want to bother!

    The uniforms of the Chasseurs à Cheval present far more challenges than the simple facing table.  They probably varied from regulations more than any other branch of the Grande Armée.  Histoire et Collections offer three booklets on these regiments, nicely illustrating the great range of dress.  I don’t expect Warlord to get into that – it would discouragingly highlight the limited range of their sculpts  – but I don’t think asking that they get the basic facings table right is unreasonable.  I cannot fix the internet one page at a time (much as I might wish to.) but maybe I can prod Warlord to give their author a copy of Roussolet next time.

    JG

    (Speaking of critical review, I can’t vouch for Histoire et Collections as I don’t really study French uniforms.  I did pull them off the shelf and check the facings table, and noted that green was presented as “green“, “Green“, and, uh, “vert“!)

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    So we’ve compared a wargames company’s product release painting guide with dedicated Napoleonic uniform sites and found it wasn’t quite 100% correct? Well howdy dowdy – who’d ha thought Eh! Pick a medal sir, any medal! What they will do with this guide is increase interest amongst casual gamers in the Napoleonic period in general, and Chasseurs in particular, by lowering the ‘entry bar’. Once they’re hooked, they will probably do the research for themselves, if they are not put off by too much sniffery from grognards!

    It worked for me. Same with most periods I have started when knowing nothing – purchase some figures, use a guide to paint them and then a year or two later realize they we weren’t 100% correct.

     

    #25177
    Patrice
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    Don’t be shy to ask if you need some native French translations

    Modern French “Chasseurs Alpins” (Chasseurs Mountain infantry) never mention the colour “jaune” (yellow), they call it “jonquille” although they think it is the same meaning but that’s regimental traditions. But I’m not sure when this tradition began.

    http://www.argad-bzh.fr/argad/en.html
    https://www.anargader.net/

    #25179
    Jonathan Gingerich
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    Oops, yes, jonquil is English.  Rousselot seems to think jonquille was a bit darker yellow, although I’m not sure any of the regiments ever used any other shade of yellow.

    #25261
    Sparker
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    #25344
    Cerdic
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    This looks like a very useful release! The Chasseurs always seem to get overlooked. Given that that they were one of the most numerous types of French cavalry, making them in plastic seems an obvious choice. ‘Cos you’re going to need loads of ’em!

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