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  • #135080
    Jemima Fawr
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    I’m putting away the plumes and sabres this week to talk about Churchill tanks. Dave Brown was asking me about who had what, so I thought I’d do a blog post (which has now become two blog posts)… As always, my blog may cause drowsiness. Do not read while driving or operating heavy machinery.

    Churchill Tanks in NW Europe 1944-45 (Part 1)

    My wargames blog: http://www.jemimafawr.co.uk/

    #135083
    John D Salt
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    Excellent stuff. I hadn’t realised that Mk IVs never got the appliqué armour.

    One minor quibble: you say of the Mk VII “The biggest improvement was in terms of armour-protection, which was comparable to that of the Tiger I.” I’d have said it was considerably better, and comparable to the frontal protection of Panther. The earlier marks of Churchill were almost as good as the Tiger I.

    All the best,

    John.

    #135084
    Jemima Fawr
    Participant

    Excellent stuff. I hadn’t realised that Mk IVs never got the appliqué armour. One minor quibble: you say of the Mk VII “The biggest improvement was in terms of armour-protection, which was comparable to that of the Tiger I.” I’d have said it was considerably better, and comparable to the frontal protection of Panther. The earlier marks of Churchill were almost as good as the Tiger I. All the best, John.

    Oh thank God… I saw that Mr Picky had replied, but I think I got away lightly!  🙂

    Thanks for that – I will correct with actual checked facts.  I normally pull these ‘facts’ out of my half-remembered arse… 😉

    My wargames blog: http://www.jemimafawr.co.uk/

    #135085
    Jemima Fawr
    Participant

    Excellent stuff. I hadn’t realised that Mk IVs never got the appliqué armour. One minor quibble: you say of the Mk VII “The biggest improvement was in terms of armour-protection, which was comparable to that of the Tiger I.” I’d have said it was considerably better, and comparable to the frontal protection of Panther. The earlier marks of Churchill were almost as good as the Tiger I. All the best, John.

    I’m not sure about the applique armour for Mk IVs.  The only Mk IVs I’ve seen it applied to are Mk IV NA75s.  Like the Mk III example shown, there were probably exceptions.

    My wargames blog: http://www.jemimafawr.co.uk/

    #135086
    Jemima Fawr
    Participant

    I’ve edited it to correct the armour anecdote.  I’ve also added a bit I forgot to add earlier; that all late-production Mk VIIs had the fittings to field-convert them into a Crocodile with minimum fuss.

    My wargames blog: http://www.jemimafawr.co.uk/

    #135088
    kyoteblue
    Participant

    Good looking models.

    #135094
    MartinR
    Participant

    The Churchill is one of my favourite WW2 tanks. Yes, the Mk VII  were all designed for quick conversion to Crocs. There was a lengthy article about the Mk VII on the Tank Archives site recently. I hadn’t realised that the vast majority of the heavier armoured tanks were used as armoured flame.

    "Mistakes in the initial deployment cannot be rectified" - Helmuth von Moltke

    #135095
    ian pillay
    Participant

    Nice article. I didn’t realise that crocodile tanks kept the main gun and replaced the MG for the flame projector.

    Tally-Ho!

    #135109
    Jemima Fawr
    Participant

    The Churchill is one of my favourite WW2 tanks. Yes, the Mk VII were all designed for quick conversion to Crocs. There was a lengthy article about the Mk VII on the Tank Archives site recently. I hadn’t realised that the vast majority of the heavier armoured tanks were used as armoured flame.

    Cheers.  Yes, if you come across a memorial Churchill VII (there are a few knocking around), have a quick look underneath and you will invariably find the flame-fuel pipe running from front to rear.  The one outside the war museum in Bayeux has this (and it’s easy to see, as it’s raised up on a plinth).

    Yeah, I wish that I’d saved more material from the late Gerry Chester’s superb North Irish Horse website, but one of his orbats shows that in Italy they at least tried to use the few Mk VIIs as ‘spearhead’ tanks.  There was even one in the Recce Troop! 🙂 The NIH also formed a Croc Sqn before they were split off to become a Croc Regiment.  In NW Europe the few non-Croc Mk VIIs were just heavily-armoured command tanks.

    My wargames blog: http://www.jemimafawr.co.uk/

    #135110
    Jemima Fawr
    Participant

    Nice article. I didn’t realise that crocodile tanks kept the main gun and replaced the MG for the flame projector.

    Yes indeed.  There are a few instances (including D-day) of them fighting engagements using 75mm and MG.  The trailer was a massive disadvantage though, when trying to fight as a ‘proper’ tank.

    My wargames blog: http://www.jemimafawr.co.uk/

    #135112
    DCRBrown
    Participant

    M,

    Brilliant article!

    About time too…. Clearly next time we meet up the beers are on me, but you can’t have 11 pints like last time!

    DB

    #135123
    Jemima Fawr
    Participant

    M, Brilliant article! About time too…. Clearly next time we meet up the beers are on me, but you can’t have 11 pints like last time! DB

    Ooo… Yes, that was a good day… And you only saw three of them (lightweight)… I think the final tally was 13: The George, St Clement Danes (1), Seven Stars (1), The Citie of York (5), The Viaduct Tavern (1), The Punch Tavern (2), The Cockpit (3)… But thankfully spread out over a very long day and a lot of walking…

    My wargames blog: http://www.jemimafawr.co.uk/

    #135177
    Whirlwind
    Participant

    That was really interesting, thanks very much.  Loved the pictures too!

    https://hereticalgaming.blogspot.co.uk/

    #135183
    Jemima Fawr
    Participant

    That was really interesting, thanks very much. Loved the pictures too!

    It certainly was interesting, but there are pictures?!!

    Oh, the article, not the pub-crawl around London… Thanks! 🙂

    I’m just writing up Part 2, but my web-hosting service seems to be having a prolonged tea-break…

    My wargames blog: http://www.jemimafawr.co.uk/

    #135237
    Jemima Fawr
    Participant

    Here’s Part 2: http://www.jemimafawr.co.uk/2020/04/23/churchill-tanks-in-nw-europe-1944-45-part-2/

    My wargames blog: http://www.jemimafawr.co.uk/

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