01/09/2018 at 19:01 #98259irishserbParticipant
I’m planning to start painting French Cold War forces in the not too distant future, and want to start doing my homework.
Did the French army use any camo patterns circa 1977-1982? What I’m finding is solid green, though the color ranges wildly, depending on the source, ranging from yellow green to blue green. What was the basic French vehicle green, and is there a good Vallejo Model Color match off of the shelf?
Any thoughts that you can share for late 1970s though early 1980s French is much appreciated.
irishserb01/09/2018 at 23:23 #98276
Assuming you mean vehicles:
It was a very brown, cowpat-green. Ostensibly the same colour as that used by West Germany, but always looks even more brownish to me. A brownish WW2 US Olive Drab is a good match.
The three-colour camo didn’t appear until the late 1980s and there were still plain OD vehicles appearing on Bastille day parades well into the 2000s.
In case you mean uniforms:
They used plain OG uniforms until the 1990s.
My wargames blog: http://www.jemimafawr.co.uk/02/09/2018 at 08:08 #98291MartinRParticipant
As above, a dark brownish green (similar to OD). The colour on the old Solido diecast models is a good match.
Most NATO kit was green, most of the time, which makes it as boring to paint as Sov stuff. Honourable exceptions being the UK, and towards the end, the US.
"Mistakes in the initial deployment cannot be rectified" - Helmuth von Moltke02/09/2018 at 12:50 #98311
IIRC, the Germans, French, Dutch and Belgians had all agreed to be using the same paint (RAL 6014 – Yellow Olive), but either the batches varied or the photography of the time is misleading, because the Dutch and Belgians (which match each other) seemed to be using a distinctly more dark grey-green shade than the French and Germans; more akin to the Forest Green used by the US Army during that period (i.e. the green colour used in Winter Temperate MERDC camouflage or plain on Abrams and Bradleys delivered to Germany during the 80s).
The West German and French colours seem to match very closely, with the French possibly erring to the brown end of the colour-range, so I’d use whatever colour you’d use for West Germans. The Flames of War/Team Yankee chaps recommend Vallejo 321 Cobra Drab. I use Humbrol 155 US OD.
Re Honourable Exceptions: The Danes also used a green/black scheme similar to the British, though with slightly more black coverage and with a much brighter green. Sadly I went a bit ‘dull’ with my Danes and should have done a brighter green more akin to my West German helicopters (see my recent battle report). Norway also used an epic splinter camo scheme, but it’s presumably a right sod to paint.
My wargames blog: http://www.jemimafawr.co.uk/02/09/2018 at 13:17 #98316
I should add that ‘Yellow Olive’ was also used on Canadian Leopards.
My wargames blog: http://www.jemimafawr.co.uk/02/09/2018 at 18:07 #98340PatriceParticipant
I remember that everything was painted “vert armée” olive green around me in 1980. It was not blue-ish nor yellow-ish, it was olive.
Sometimes it appears slightly yellowish on pictures of the time (on cheap analog photos) but it wasn’t.
Pictures as this one match well with my memories:
https://www.anargader.net/02/09/2018 at 23:26 #98367irishserbParticipant
Thanks very much for all of the info. I’m pretty excited about getting my French onto the table again, with some new acquisitions, so the help is much appreciated.03/09/2018 at 00:23 #98368EtrangerParticipant
Under interior lighting & a bit duller than Patrice’s example. Looks about right to me & similar to the descriptions above.
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