22/08/2016 at 12:02 #47191WhirlwindParticipant
What were the doctrinal frontages for infantry companies and battalions from the various nations in WW2? And is there any analysis on how strongly (or not) these were adhered to?
https://hereticalgaming.blogspot.co.uk/22/08/2016 at 12:13 #47192Not Connard SageParticipant
"I go online sometimes, but everyone's spelling is really bad. It's... depressing."22/08/2016 at 12:24 #47193WhirlwindParticipant
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https://hereticalgaming.blogspot.co.uk/22/08/2016 at 12:24 #47194MartinRParticipant
Yes, but obviously it depended in mission, terrain etc. (and overall force density)
e.g. a defended company locality may have occupied an area of 500 yards by 500 yards, but depending on the situation might be 2000 yards from its nearest ‘mutually supporting’ company – this was not atypical for quiet fronts in Russia, with the gaps covered by patrols and artillery co-located with the company strongpoints.
My usual rule of thumb is roughly 1000 yards frontage and depth for a Western style battalion on the attack (so 500 yards per company, assuming 2 up), and maybe up to 2km x 2km on defence (again, assuming some depth).
Massive variations in practice of course, with ludicrous troop densities on occasion – the amoured divisions in Goodwood were allotted 1000 yard frontages for their entire divisions, and some Russian Rifle Divisions were alotted 600m assault frontages.
Doctrinally, Germans divisions were supposed to assault on a frontage of 4km (both infantry and panzer, two regiments up) and their optimum defensive frontage was six km (again, either two regiments up, or three regiments side-by-side in WW1 style through throughput the full depth of the defensive zone). Again, irl defensive fronts of anything up to 40km were not uncommon (only achievable by stringing uot every sub-unit into a chain of outposts). iirc the longets defensive front I ever came across was the 29th Motorised Division at Elista which had the fun task of defending 300 miles(!) of fornt.
In all cases sub-units, units and formations were deployed in depth, unlike the Napoleonic formations so beloved of wargamers.
"Mistakes in the initial deployment cannot be rectified" - Helmuth von Moltke22/08/2016 at 15:09 #47200Jemima FawrParticipant
Frontages could be astonishingly compressed. 1st Polish Armoured Division had around 500m-750m frontage at the start of Operation ‘Totalize’, hence their oft-criticised ‘charge’ at the start that was purely an attempt to obtain some manoeuvring room.
When I took a professional British Army SNCO to Normandy with my tour group a few years back, he point-blank refused to believe the British deployment frontages at the battlefields of Breville and Herouville (both near Pegasus Bridge). I had to show him the actual operational orders and war diaries before he believed me!
Here’s my scenario for Herouville. The problem here was that they were sandwiched in between the left flank of Operation ‘Charnwood’ and the Caen Canal:
My wargames blog: http://www.jemimafawr.co.uk/22/08/2016 at 16:04 #47203PatriceParticipant
“When in (Skirmish) Line the the men spread out in a ragged line. In attack the Russians kept 6-8 paces (5-7 m) between men (Sharp, 1998) and the Germans 5 paces (4 m) (Gajkowski, 1995). In defence a Russian squad covered a 40-50 m frontage, and a German squad 30-40 m.”
That’s a bit different in some popular rules…
https://www.anargader.net/22/08/2016 at 17:02 #47206MartinRParticipant
And in “Infantry, Fieldcraft and Training’, section fighting positions are shown as roughly 50 yards square, with the three sections arranged in a triangle with around 100 yards between each section and interlocked arcs of fire for the Brens to cover the other sections in mutual support. In some of the earlier manuals the third ‘reserve’ section is designated as the one to provide mutual fire support for the adjacent platoon positions a couple of hundreds yards away within the company defended locality as part of the intial fire plan.
"Mistakes in the initial deployment cannot be rectified" - Helmuth von Moltke
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