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  • #102913
    Devon Start
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    Hey all- sorry if there is another topic discussing this. the search function is a bit wierd and these topics arent sub categorized so i wasnt sure. if so just point me in the right direction

    I am a huge fan of the Hyborian age and all its potential wargaming offerings.  I see that people have the skirmish RPG level games locked down with cool rules like Burning Sands and Crom!  but what i am looking for is something more in the traditional “proper’ style of wargaming. Where the heroes arent so over powered or even the focus of the games.   Im looking to do huge battles like the Ilbars River, or any of the battles from the King Conan stories..  there is so much for a wargamer to do in Hyboria and what i like the best, you can use up a lot of other figures! got some ancient egyptians? thats the core of your stygian army.. have some Italian city states figs.. hey your on the way to an argosian army

    When i was a kid my dad had the Royal Armies of the Hyborian Age, rules, but those are.. very 70s. (its neat that they have a typewriter font!) While there is some interesting fluff, those rules didnt work to well for me.(they are really complicated)

    does anyone have any games they like that allows them to field armies of any composition(no army list games.. too damn limiting) .. does anyone else have any interest in this style of gaming for conan? (i can see the draw of doing the skirmish stuff.. i do that too!)

    #102916
    Mike
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    This springs to mind. Though I have never read it.

    LINK

    #102920
    Devon Start
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    lol. i mentioned those rules by name in my post.. very 70s and a bit too obtuse for what i want.  These are the ones with the typewriter font

    #102921
    Devon Start
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    I had purchased Kings of War historicals with an eye for doing this sort of thing. i like that i can base everyone on one giant base and make them essentially dioramas. However i kind of like the idea of seeing the units whittled down. Every Conan story with a battle has at least one unit that fights to the last man(usually that man is conan) and id like to see that happen in the game.. maybe i need to write the rebooted rules for Royal Armies!

    #102922
    Ian Booth
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    I was thinking of doing some 15mm Hyborian age armies for dragon rampant tbh. Could go bigger for large battles by increasing the amount of points you field?

    #102925
    Mike
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    lol. i mentioned those rules by name in my post.. very 70s and a bit too obtuse for what i want. These are the ones with the typewriter font

    Aaaaaw crud, sorry dude, in the middle of moving house and my head is not with it, sorry!
    My bad.

    #102933
    Devon Start
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    no sweat man

    #102934
    Devon Start
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    I was thinking of doing some 15mm Hyborian age armies for dragon rampant tbh. Could go bigger for large battles by increasing the amount of points you field?

    Ive never played lion/dragon rampant. though i have to say i generally find the osprey games to be.. lame

    i dont want something with points either.. seems like that would have an army list or something and i want to avoid that (its hard to fit your idea of a fantasy army into premade armies)

    #102937
    Paul
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    I always thought GWs Lord of the Rings Strategy Battle game would be a good fit for Conan-esque wargaming because the heroes are powerful but not unstoppable.

    Those are brave men knocking at our door. Let's go kill them!

    #102942
    Chris Robinson
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    Most fantasy games can be ported to Hyboria if they have enough human armies that are analogues to our historical ones, or let you build them from scratch (Mayhem, Mighty Armies Fantasy/Ancients).  You won’t get away from points with most (all) rule sets, but you can always do your own OOBs based on their analogues.

    Some ancient rulesets don’t use points, as long as you don’t need magic or can house rule for the few instances it might happen, then they’d work.

    #102945
    Logain
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    I’d second mighty armies and mayhem. Both are a lot of fun. If I were to pick based on your post, I’d get mighty armies ancients. Great simple rule set, fast games, easy to create hyborean armies, very little in the way of heroes (focus on the troops). If you want more magic and monsters pick up the fantasy version too.  If you want something more complex, unusual, and over-the-top mayhem is a great game, but focuses a little more on heroes, monsters and magic.

     

    #102952
    Graham Harrison
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    You could try the fantasy version of Sword and Spear, that might fit what you are looking for.

    I had a copy of Royal Armies of the Hyborian Age in my early teens. I tried to play a campaign with some mates using them, but it petered out because the rules were too complicated.

    #102964
    Etranger
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    Would Hordes of the Things be any use? They’re basically a fantasy version of (boo hiss) DBA but apparently a lot more enjoyable.

    #103009
    Devon Start
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    I have heard about HOTT,  i see that is pretty commonly used, but the association with DBA.. i dont think i understand teh game well enough to make armies that would work.

    LOTR might work, but again it requires specialised troops and i dont want to do the “well my hyrkanians will be the army of harrad.. oh look i get assassins” that game is too army list dependant to be anything other than lotr really.  Or id have to make lists with stats and no thanks.. i might as well just make my own rules at that point(still a viable option)

    THe other games you guys mentioned im not familiar with, so ill havet o take a look and see what i can see!

    thanks for the help guys!—this discussion isnt over by a stretch so anyone else or any other ideas are always welcome

     

     

    #103022
    Chris Robinson
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    I have a pdf of Royal Armies but haven’t looked at it for a while, I thought it had army lists in it, you can just port those over to whatever rules you want.  Some of the old websites for Hyborian rpg-ing (before all the recent sets of Conan rules came out) used to have pretty good breakdowns of what Hyborian nation matched up with what historical one.  Some Hyborian countries were real mishmashes though, others lined up well.

    Wikipedia has a starting point: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyborian_Age

    Chris

    #103029
    Devon Start
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    I have a pdf of Royal Armies but haven’t looked at it for a while, I thought it had army lists in it, you can just port those over to whatever rules you want. Some of the old websites for Hyborian rpg-ing (before all the recent sets of Conan rules came out) used to have pretty good breakdowns of what Hyborian nation matched up with what historical one. Some Hyborian countries were real mishmashes though, others lined up well. Wikipedia has a starting point: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyborian_Age Chris

    i have a set of the rules and no the army lists only reflect the armies n game terms.

    ive read the lists from RPGS, i dont agree with them really. the people that write them dont know history.

    but that isnt what i need, i have a good idea as to what minis i would use. hardly the issue. finding a set of rules that does what i want on the other hand is the issue

    #103033
    Shahbahraz
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    I haven’t checked my copy, but IIRC the ‘Hordes of the Things’ had sample armies for Hyboria included?

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    #103041

    Rally Round the King might work for you. Element based, lots of modability.

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    #103042
    Ian Booth
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    Yes they do! HOTT is useful for that tbh

    #103043
    Ian Booth
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    #103057
    Ruarigh
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    I second Rally Round the King for an element-based game. It includes heroes and wizards alongside the usual troops, and you can easily make your own army lists to suit the Hyborian armies. Mind you, I would not be surprised if someone had not already had a go at that. If you want to read how RRtK plays out, I ran a campaign for eight years that you can read here: https://talomir.blogspot.com/

    An alternative that you might consider is the AD&D Battlesystem rules, if figure removal is important to you. They are available for $4.99 on DriveThruRPG (https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/16943/Battlesystem-Miniatures-Rules-2e) and would allow you to integrate AD&D style heroes and wizards of different levels into the game to give it that Conanesque heroic fantasy feel. With a bit of thought, it would not be too hard to come up with Hyborian armies and characters that fit the theme. I’m sure Conan has been statted up numerous times for AD&D, for example.

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    #103153
    Noel
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    I think any set of flexible ancients/medieval/fantasy battle rules would work.  The one I am most familiar with is Hail Caesar and that  provides a lot of flexibility.

    #103270
    Devon Start
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    Found this maybe of use to you!? http://billinghurst.spalding.gen.nz/Webstuff/hobbies/armatiarmylists.html#Aquilonia

     

    ooh armati! i used to play this and tactica with the same guys that arty conliffe used to play with(he wrote the rules)

    #103274
    Jim Jackaman
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