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  • #141244
    MuertoMuerto
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    Hi all,

    These products have recently come to my attention, and promising to stop me from wasting green stuff sausages around integral bases while giving a new period a new base style, I’m interested.

    I am curious though – is there any discernible difference in grit size between the Rough Pumice (26.212 and 26.213) and the Coarse Pumice (28.599)? Are there any differences in durability, or ease of use, or in any other meaningful way?

    Thanks!

    #141245
    MikeMike
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    Not sure, but to confuse matters further.
    I used to use Vallejo White Pumice until I found this:

    LINK

    I found this to be easier to apply and it leaves a more mud like texture than grit.
    Though both shrink a lot and will most likely need at least 2 applications.

    I much prefer it to the vallejo which to me does not look like bare earth.

    #141246
    MikeMike
    Keymaster

    It is what I use on my 15mm with integral bases to blend that into the plastic bases I use.

    https://cromsanvil.co.uk/characters.html

    #141247
    MuertoMuerto
    Participant

    Thanks Mike.

    Does the Winsor & Newton mask integral bases as well?

    I’m looking at 28mm, so possibly more coarse is more acceptable.

    #141248
    MikeMike
    Keymaster

    Hard to say, I think I should try to distinguish that coarser and grittier is the finish, not the thickness.
    They both are as thick as you apply it.
    So in terms of layers needed, they will both be the same.

    I will try and get a sample of each up tomorrow if you are not in a rush?

    #141256
    MuertoMuerto
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    Very kind of you, and no rush whatever.

    It’d be great to have such a picture here for posterity.

    #141325
    Steve BurtSteve Burt
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    I also use the Windsor & Newton gels but I find the pumice works better for larger scale figures than the sand texture. I mix it with a bit of acrylic paint from the tube so it is pre-coloured.

     

    #141334
    MikeMike
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    #141382
    MuertoMuerto
    Participant

    Thanks Mike – those are really helpful!

    #141537
    MikeMike
    Keymaster

    Not sure if this is in time and or even helps?

    pumice on the right

    #141561
    Andrew BeasleyAndrew Beasley
    Participant

    Do you get any cracking in them?

    I’ve a few Moongrunt figures that I did years ago with a clear basing compound (no idea what now) and need to finish another unit or two off and the right hand one looks a good match.

    #141562
    MikeMike
    Keymaster

    Nope. Some slight shrinkage as the juice evaporates but no cracking.

    #141606
    MuertoMuerto
    Participant

    That is both helpful and still timely. Thanks.

    I gather from those photos that the Vallejo is easier to push around with a brush when wet but will shrink a great deal, where the Winsor & Newton looks more like you trowel it on and then sculpt, but when it dries it’ll look much like it did when you put it on?

    #141607
    MikeMike
    Keymaster

    Actually they are both applied with a small wooden coffee stirrer in the same fashion in these images.
    For getting into close quarters I use an old brush as it is much easier to control that way.
    I find the Winsor gel the easiest to use as it is less clumpy.
    Neither change much in appearance to be fair, just a bit of shrinkage, which is only really noticeable if you fill up to the required height and then once dry you notice it has shrunken a little.

    I much prefer the W&N, as it is easier to use and less craggy when dry.
    If I wanted to rough it up I guess I could add some sand in the mix, but obvs with the Vallejo, you can’t un-roughen it!

    ๐Ÿ˜€

    #141620
    Andrew BeasleyAndrew Beasley
    Participant

    Most kind.

    I’m not overly worried about the shrinkage as I’ll apply as two layers or areas for the bigger (vehicle) bases if needed.

    #141627
    Steve Johnson
    Participant

    Looking at Mike’s images, could you not simply use fine surface polyfilla and add some pva glue and the appropriate grit to make you own mix?

    #141647
    Andrew BeasleyAndrew Beasley
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    The grit is a lot finer than I normally use and I’ve had real problems previously with PVA both going yellow and coming off so I tend to use it on scenery and not figures.

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