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  • #190540
    Avatar photoMr. Average
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    Enamored as I am of the classic 40k from circa 1989 I had a friend to send me some 15mm scale Classic Era Space Marines (actually more like 12mm scale – these are technically “misprints”). And what’s more classic than space marines in beaky armor painted in camouflage? Nothing as far as I can see. That combined with my introduction to and immediate love for the Planet 28 rule set, and the rest is history. So this is the beginning of a 12mm scale Badab War TTRPG project that, if it’s like anything else I do, will be on a very long and very slow burn. But that’s okay.

    Howling Griffons are my first on deck:
    https://www.thewargameswebsite.com/wp-content/uploads/hm_bbpui/190540/2bfr6xry590f1fgzs04mqd0rtxec4k3h.jpeg

    I actually found some old magazine articles about making urban terrain from corrugated cardboard, too, so away we go! I’m raiding some old games for coins to allow the accumulation of campaign points to “spend.” The game is to start with one or at most a small handful of Marines, defeated in battle but unbowed, going to ground and slowly accumulating their power in preparation for taking their revenge against their enemies. It all feels properly late 80s to me, yet at a much smaller and more pleasant scale. Cheers to my friends around the way for supplying me with fun things even after my budgets hit the wall.

    #190545
    Avatar photoian pillay
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    Cool!!!!

    Tally-Ho! Check out my blog at…..
    http://steelcitywargaming.wordpress.com/

    #190548
    Avatar photoDarkest Star Games
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    That’s a great looking mini.  I loved the camo on the SM back in the day, even copied the camo from the “Medusa IV Campaign” that was shown on some figures in the original “Chapter Approved” booklet.  It’s amazing how much the same yet how different the 40k background is from the old RT book era.

    I really look forwards to seeing what kind of a force these SM end up recruiting, and how they go about it.

    "I saw this in a cartoon once, but I'm pretty sure I can do it..."

    #190564
    Avatar photoian pillay
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    More skulls in the bone RT background ….. the older background is my favourite for 40k background. I mean even in the RT book there was a scenario about a Christmas Pudding…!!!

    Tally-Ho! Check out my blog at…..
    http://steelcitywargaming.wordpress.com/

    #190565
    Avatar photoMike
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    RT for life.

    #190572
    Avatar photoDarkest Star Games
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    the older background is my favourite for 40k background

    There was a charming vagueness to a lot of it.  Now it’s more than a bit too fleshed out and ponderous IMO.  It was bound to happen over time due to the longevity of the setting, but it feels a bit more restricting than liberating.

    Say, how many SM are you starting with?

    "I saw this in a cartoon once, but I'm pretty sure I can do it..."

    #190574
    Avatar photoMr. Average
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    For starters I’m doing five men: four with bolters and one with an as-yet undetermined special weapon (I have a few but don’t know which to pick first).

    #190582
    Avatar photoAndrew Beasley
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    …one with an as-yet undetermined special weapon…

    Burn the Xenos scum in the Emperor’s Name and His Holy Flame  🙂

    (ex Salamander player here)

    Lovely paint and base job – not read the Planet 28 rules but will look forward to some 15mm SM action reports from you.

    #190589
    Avatar photoDarkest Star Games
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    Can you by chance gather up a link for the STL files your friend used to print the beakies, please?

    "I saw this in a cartoon once, but I'm pretty sure I can do it..."

    #190597
    Avatar photoJim Webster
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    the older background is my favourite for 40k background

    There was a charming vagueness to a lot of it. Now it’s more than a bit too fleshed out and ponderous IMO. It was bound to happen over time due to the longevity of the setting, but it feels a bit more restricting than liberating. Say, how many SM are you starting with?

    Just to second the comment about the charming vagueness. Detail can be nice, but less detail can be liberating and gives you elbow room for your own flights of fancy 🙂

     

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    #190599
    Avatar photoMr. Average
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    Definitely agree. To name a thing is to limit it, in a certain way. The charm of the Rogue Trader era was how open it was to people taking it in their own direction – more like an RPG than a true tabletop game. It’s what I like about the feel of a game like Planet 28. It’s walking a razor’s edge between being crunchy enough and overloading with pointless detail, without going the other direction and being a rule set that just says “make it all up, none of it matters anyway, it’s all just numbers, so what?”

    #190600
    Avatar photoMike
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    Old GW invited you to play. New GW tells you the way you must play.

    #190601
    Avatar photoian pillay
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    Old GW invited you to play. New GW tells you the way you must play.

    Never thought about it line that before, but it does make sense.

    Tally-Ho! Check out my blog at…..
    http://steelcitywargaming.wordpress.com/

    #190622
    Avatar photoMr. Average
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    Old GW invited you to play. New GW tells you the way you must play.

    Thats probably the most succinct way I’ve ever seen that phrased, and you’re quite right!

    #190649
    Avatar photoMr. Average
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    Gotta have ruins. I’ve never been afraid of a little papercraft either.


    #190663
    Avatar photoAndrew Beasley
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    Neat paper crafting.

    I run a grey Sharpie over the edges of the card – just helps tone down the white lines and seems to work no matter what the colour of the card side is 🙂

     

    #190669
    Avatar photoMr. Average
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    Very good call on the grey sharpie. A little more modeling and some propaganda posters seal the deal.

    https://www.thewargameswebsite.com/wp-content/uploads/hm_bbpui/190669/794yxuqol3k886hj94ma2fb7zir3ipsk.jpeg

     

    #190930
    Avatar photoMr. Average
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    Insurgents gonna insurge. And since I started with Howling Griffons the natural opponent in the Badab War is the Executioners, who have a groovy blue pattern-breaker scheme that I’ve always liked. My take is more of a free interpretation than a real version of the old White Dwarf colors but I like it.


    #190932
    Avatar photoAndrew Beasley
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    Just realised you can see their ‘toes’. Impressive detail brought out well by your painting!

    #190933
    Avatar photoJim Webster
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    Just realised you can see their ‘toes’. Impressive detail brought out well by your painting!

     

    Now you’ve tempted me to get some and paint them with open toed sandals 🙂

    https://jimssfnovelsandwargamerules.wordpress.com/

    #190941
    Avatar photoMike
    Keymaster

    Defo old RT era vibes!

    #nice

    #190954
    Avatar photoDarkest Star Games
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    That blue scheme came out pretty well.  Dude looks a bit evil, or maybe cranky due to not getting his morning cup o’ joe.

    "I saw this in a cartoon once, but I'm pretty sure I can do it..."

    #190955
    Avatar photoMr. Average
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    That blue scheme came out pretty well. Dude looks a bit evil, or maybe cranky due to not getting his morning cup o’ joe.

    I have to upgrade the glow on his eyes to make him look a little crankier.

    #190964
    Avatar photoMr. Average
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    Just realised you can see their ‘toes’. Impressive detail brought out well by your painting!

    Now you’ve tempted me to get some and paint them with open toed sandals 🙂

    Would you expect power-armored Warrior-monks not to wear sandals? Let’s be serious here.

    #194430
    Avatar photoMr. Average
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    A few more Howling Griffins:

    #194440
    Avatar photoDarkest Star Games
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    Coming along nicely.  How many of what troops do plan for?  Any of the old style IG going to make an appearance?  (I always loved those IG from the original Chapter Approved booklet!)

    "I saw this in a cartoon once, but I'm pretty sure I can do it..."

    #194441
    Avatar photoMr. Average
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    I don’t have a set size of force for either. I’m doing a few more Griffons, including a Heavy Flamer. I would like to do some Imperial Guard, although I like the newer “chem wastes” stylings better than the old “come at me, bro!” ones. I just need a new printing partner – my usual guy has had a system failure and so no more from him for a while.

    I have in mind at least a Rhino and maybe a Vindicator, too, although I don’t know how well the powered armor camo would hold up on a vehicle – might look too same-y? Just thinking it over for now. If I get any traitor Guard I will certainly do tanks.

    #194445
    Avatar photoMike
    Keymaster

    OSR IG FTW

    #194446
    Avatar photoMr. Average
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    Osir Igg Fatwah, indeed! I wonder if any extant lines of minis would do the trick, actually. I always prefer to buy from manufacturers in metal.

    #194449
    Avatar photoMr. Average
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    Maybe the ESR forces from Ground Zero would suit. They have that Imperial Guard “look.”  Anyone know how they scale up? My Marines tend to scale a touch small since I scaled them up from 6mm by a straight 200%.

    #194454
    Avatar photoMike
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    I read your reply and was about to suggest GZG, then I scrolled down and read your next post. I wonder if AA do anything…

    #194455
    Avatar photoMr. Average
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    I saw someone do models of “classic” Imperial Guard, with Ryza pattern lasguns. However, the grip is on the wrong part of the rifle and it drove me nuts. I’m obsessive about my gaming. So I continue to look…

    Somehow GZG with totally different weapons would be easier to accept than wrong-looking lasguns. Maybe I’m nuts but if I can’t have my hobbies my way, what the hell?

    #194456
    Avatar photoMike
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    Somehow GZG with totally different weapons would be easier to accept than wrong-looking lasguns

    I can dig that. Better to be something new and different than to copy something old and fail.

    Anyway, maybe your IG are from inside the Eye of Terror where supplies are odd and time quirky?

    #194459
    Avatar photoMr. Average
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    They could well be!  Lasguns may be in short supply, and so they have to turn to autoguns instead.  I can come up with a justification for whatever, I should think.

    #194460
    Avatar photoMr. Average
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    I went for some Ion Age forces, since they were inexpensive and available from someone in the USA.  If they don’t work against my Marines, they will at least be able to fight each other!

    #194491
    Avatar photoDarkest Star Games
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    Found these 3d print guys.  I think they can work, though their lazguns have no stocks.

    https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/retro-spaceguards-15mm-28mm-parts

    I have a bunch of Ion Age figs I need to get to.  I really like them, they have a lot of character.

    "I saw this in a cartoon once, but I'm pretty sure I can do it..."

    #194501
    Avatar photowillz
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    Double cool.

    #194503
    Avatar photoJim Webster
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    Found these 3d print guys. I think they can work, though their lazguns have no stocks. https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/retro-spaceguards-15mm-28mm-parts I have a bunch of Ion Age figs I need to get to. I really like them, they have a lot of character.

     

    Thinking about it, what do lazguns need a stock for anyway? It’s to brace against your shoulder to help absorb the recoil. Why has a lazgun got recoil?

    It’s a bit like bolters. I remember reading that they’re really powerful and if you are not wearing powered armour firing them will break your wrist etc

    But then another video said that a small charge fired them out of the barrel and then a rocket motor in the round kicked in and propelled them to the target. Which means there should be no recoil or very little.

     

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    #194504
    Avatar photoMike
    Keymaster

    Thinking about it, what do lazguns need a stock for anyway?

    So the mighty guardsman can flip the gun around in HTH and smack the heretics on the head with it.

    Just like Steve said.

    #194505
    Avatar photoMr. Average
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    You’ve never heard of Laser Recoil?

    I figure it’s what Mike said. Also to steady it while aiming. And to give something to hold onto when you fight with the bayonet.

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