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16/03/2021 at 22:06 #153949Guy FarrishParticipant
About three weeks ago I posted a piece on TWW entitled 10mm Cardinal about, surprisingly enough, a 10mm Renaissance Cardinal figure I made. Someone said, okay make some 10mm Tang Dynasty figures then, and I have made four infantry figs and am working on some cavalry, but the point here (at last!) is that while rummaging through past sculpts for a 25mm Tang infantryman I made many years ago I came across these:
I can’t remember the exact scenario I was planning but they were supposed to be for a sort of Wicker Man type theme based on the Mari Lwyd (Welsh hobbyhorse), Border Morris men – not your soft Cotswold Morris -and a possessed Scarecrow.
I never actually got round to playing it – one good reason being the scale creep I let overtake me as I made these.
They were supposed to be augmented by 28mm commercially available civilian figs but a) I couldn’t find enough and b) this is my figs next to a 28mm Hoplite
Now I’ve found them again I can feel the urge to complete and play this – but do I sculpt new true 28mm size figs or go mad and make the other figs I need in this ginormous 35/40mm size? (The Mari Lwyd is meant to be huge, it is a horse’s skull on a pole – and in this scenario also possessed).
Decisions, decisions!
16/03/2021 at 22:13 #153950Geof DowntonParticipant…do I sculpt new true 28mm size figs or go mad and make the other figs I need in this ginormous 35/40mm size?
Easy – ginormous – then a real giant: https://salisburymuseum.org.uk/collections/medieval-salisbury/giant-and-hob-nob#:~:text=The%20Salisbury%20Giant%20is%20a,1850.
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Ahab, King of Israel; 1 Kings 20:1116/03/2021 at 22:14 #153951MikeKeymaster19/03/2021 at 06:57 #154021ian pillayParticipantMay word they are brilliant and totally scary. That hobby horse thing is the stuff of nightmares! Definitely redo. (But not the hobby horse…)
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http://steelcitywargaming.wordpress.com/19/03/2021 at 09:51 #154030Guy FarrishParticipantThanks folks.
Border Morris man and Scarecrow armatures made and first putty on.
I will make another Mari Lwyd, it would be about 14ft high compared to true size 25/28mm figs – too tall even for a possessed hobby horse!
19/03/2021 at 10:41 #154033MikeKeymaster19/03/2021 at 13:33 #154047Darkest Star GamesParticipantian pillay wrote: That hobby horse thing is the stuff of nightmares! aye
Definitely reminds me of the nightmares I had when young after seeing the movie Time Bandits! Similar monsters appear in that flick and haunted me for a good few months.
The Morris Dancer though… not having grown up with English culture he doesn’t seem all that scary, unless he takes a Droogie approach?
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19/03/2021 at 13:44 #154049Geof DowntonParticipantThe Morris Dancer though… not having grown up with English culture he doesn’t seem all that scary…
The traditional Morris Man is probably the scariest thing in English culture. Loved and loathed in equal measure, he is notable for his prodigious ability to absorb ethanol, seemingly with no loss of co-ordination…
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Ahab, King of Israel; 1 Kings 20:1119/03/2021 at 14:26 #154054Guy FarrishParticipantStandard (southern) English Morris as seen in the Cotswolds mainly these days is (generally) a pleasant pastime for folk dance enthusiasts with an eye on tourism and a bit of maintaining old traditions on a sunny summer’s day.
Border (Welsh border that is) Morris has a slightly different tradition and tends to be more tied into the main ‘old’ religious festivals of Beltane, Lammas etc, is more boisterous (and sometimes threatening) and the blackened faces are for disguise as some of the activities in previous centuries bordered on extortion with menaces, vandalism and fairly major breaches of the peace.
Here are some border Morris at Beltane: Widders Morris
and the same side in Chepstow: Border Morris Chepstow
There’s a two bridges festival in winter (winter solstice) in Chepstow where the Mari Lwyds and Border Morris meet at night on the bridge and the wassailing (‘give us a drink or suffer the consequences’) goes on in the town. That’s quite a scary combination – there’s a priest with a devil mask in attendance usually as well).
This is English Cotswold Morris: Abingdon Morris
19/03/2021 at 20:43 #154062PatriceParticipantFascinating! I wish to seen more about all this. 🙂
The Morris Dancer though… not having grown up with English culture he doesn’t seem all that scary…
The traditional Morris Man is probably the scariest thing in English culture.
Myself not being English either, the first time I heard about Morris dancers was probably their Discworld adaptation in Terry Pratchett novels, after reading it I wanted to understand what they were.
http://www.argad-bzh.fr/argad/en.html
https://www.anargader.net/19/03/2021 at 23:10 #154064Guy FarrishParticipantThis perhaps gives a better feel for Border Morris
31/05/2021 at 14:05 #157051Guy FarrishParticipantAfter a bit of a hiatus – Green Stuff out of stock, likewise RTV101 rubber I got round to having a go at resizing.
The first three above
Another Morris man and the policeman and scarecrow cast up.
I’m going to have to remould the first two as I managed to get bubbles in the silicone, and the scarecrow comes out with a little round ball at the top of his hat (more clown than scarecrow – not the look I was going for), and both he and the policeman have either a small roundshot between their feet or they are more scared than they should be at this stage in the proceedings.
I haven’t cast anything up for a while now and the rubber seems stiffer than I remember and requires a more vigorous mix with the catalyst. I presume this has put air into it and the bubbles don’t seem to rise out as easily as they used to ( I think. I may just be more cack handed and out of practice.)
There’s a vicar with cross raised, warding something off and a farmer/squire with shotgun done as well and another Mari Llwyd which needs reworking as it is shorter but the head seems way too big. There’s a WI style woman armature made and a lady of the manor and a female police officer sketched so we’ll see how thy go.
Anyway, more practice and then I’ll have a go at casting the 10mm Tang dynasty stuff I’ve been playing with.
Never cast 10mm before, the bubbles may be bigger than the figures!
08/11/2021 at 16:56 #164402War MonkeyParticipantVery nice work you did there!
08/11/2021 at 18:50 #164409Jim WebsterParticipantNice work, an interesting project, I suspect it might fit in nicely with a version of a Very British Civil War
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30/11/2021 at 03:11 #165416Kitty Hay-WhittonParticipantI’m holding my breath waiting for the Tang!
30/11/2021 at 07:39 #165418deephorseParticipantThat Mari Lwyd is excellent. If it was commercially available I’d buy one. Probably a whole unit of them! Terrific stuff, well done.
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02/12/2021 at 11:53 #165521deephorseParticipantAs it happens, a Mari Lwyd is available commercially. Not a figurine unfortunately, but as a nice little pin badge. I’ve been so taken with the image of the hobby-horse that I just had to buy one. It arrived this morning, photo attached. It’s one inch tall from bottom of foot to top of ear.
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08/12/2021 at 16:46 #165795Guy FarrishParticipantWell that jogged my memory!
Thanks for the comments – much appreciated.
I had a few problems with ‘sticky’ plasticine on the masters and I had a ‘pause’ while I looked for an answer. I lost bits off a couple of the masters and wondered whether I should simply make one offs for things I would need. (eg I probably only need one vicar). Then real life intervened.
I have dug the ones I completed out and played an introductory solo narrative game and I shall get back to sculpting and painting the rest now.
Locals report an unusual appearance in the ‘Abbey Field’. Nobody puts a scarecrow in there – there are no crops.
Constables Williams and Jones turn up to check everything is okay as the sun is going down. The local squire appears to be having one of his evening ‘revels’
That’s odd thinks Williams. There’s another scarecrow over there. And Tommy Hughes has grown a bit in that Mari Llwyd costume.
The dance is coming to some sort of climax, and why is the squire wearing that weird costume and a sword?
In the gloom of the Abbey ruins, something unspeakable stirs.
Poor old William and Jones, where’s an exorcist when you need one?
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Second question was the Tang.
Even more difficult.
Sculpting in 10mm is mad, my sculpting is average at best on a good day with a fair wind in larger scales. In 10mm – yuk!
Add in the mould making and casting difficulties and these went on the same back burner as the folk horror stuff. Still, here are a few which need redoing when I take off my boxing gloves and use a magnifying glass.
There are a couple of horses done as well and I was going to cast them and sculpt different riders but I didn’t want to break them with the problems I was having. I might have another go now the weather’s colder and if that works I’ll try again, and try and improve on the quality.
My advice would be don’t hold your breath and buy Assyrians and pretend they’re Tang – probably closer than these!
08/12/2021 at 22:58 #165802Deleted UserMemberI like the pattern on the top most archer sculp. Looking forward to seeing your horse.
16/03/2022 at 14:23 #170122Cacique CaribeParticipantJust curious … Is “Folk Horror” exclusively a British Isles genre, meaning only based on ancient British mythology, or could it also apply to situations with scary isolated “pagan” religious populations in Slavic nations or even Native American horror settings?
Thanks.
Dan
Loads of WIPs: https://www.flickr.com/photos/9593487@N07/albums/with/7215771063052937621/03/2022 at 00:07 #170280Guy FarrishParticipantSorry, should have seen this earlier.
Folk Horror as a genre tends in wargaming to revolve around spin offs from The Wicker Man and B Movie type Hammer Horror films – witchcraft in particular dragged kicking nd screaming into the 20th century. Psychomania might be a good example (although a dreadful film).
As a literary and cinematic form it includes a lot of South East Asian and Indonesian work that uses folklore in modern settings.
It also includes things like Witchfinder General (Nicky Henson is in this – he was also the biker gang leader in Psychomania). This is seventeenth century rather than modern day but it doesn’t take much to have revenant witches turning up in the present (21st) century with a bit of imagination.
Children of the Corn and The Dark Secret of Harvest Home are US examples.
09/10/2022 at 07:40 #178832Cacique CaribeParticipantHi Guy
Thanks for the clarification. By the way, I just found these vids:
Dan
Loads of WIPs: https://www.flickr.com/photos/9593487@N07/albums/with/72157710630529376 -
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