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  • #53907
    Ivan Sorensen
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    Anything out that is a bit like Hordes of the Things (fairly generic troop types, easy to adapt armies, small’ish number of troop stands) but is in print and maybe a bit better explained?

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    #53910
    Whirlwind
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    Dragon Rampant https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/181807/dragon-rampant-fantasy-wargaming-rules hits all those criteria on the nose

    https://hereticalgaming.blogspot.co.uk/

    #53912
    Mike Headden
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    Pendraken’s “Warband” rules would be worth a look too. Armylists are designed around their figures but aren’t hard to adapt.

    http://www.pendraken.co.uk/Warband-Fantasy-NEW-c36/Rules-sc320/

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    #53922
    Ivan Sorensen
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    Is Dragon Rampant skirmish or is each stand representing a group?

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    #53923
    Whirlwind
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    It is agnostic on this – it is “strength points per unit”, so you can represent that anyway you please.

    https://hereticalgaming.blogspot.co.uk/

    #53924
    Ivan Sorensen
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    Ah okay sweet, for some reason I had thought it was strictly a warband thing.

    OKay, I’ll definitely get that after christmas then.

    Does it have a campaign bit?

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    #53925
    Whirlwind
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    Well, before you buy, I will say that it defnitely has a lower level “feel” than HotT.  How to explain…?

    It feels like a typical “Warhammer”-size battle.  It isn’t “warband” like Songs of Blade … and Frostgrave etc., but it is “warband” like Saga or Sharp Practice or something.

    I haven’t got it with me at the moment, but I don’t remember it having a campaign bit.

     

     

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    #53926
    Ivan Sorensen
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    Yeah, about that size would be fine.
    I love warband gaming but I specifically want something that’s a little bit bigger in the feel.

    This will be for middle earth stuff, so we already have the excellent GW rules for the skirmish battles.

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    #53927
    Rhoderic
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    Is Dragon Rampant skirmish or is each stand representing a group?

    It’s been designed to work any which way. The rules “as standard” assume that each figure is individually based and representing a single separate “Strength Point” (what you remove as casualties and add up to determine unit strength), and that the scale is somewhere between 15-28mm, but there are additional guidelines for two different ways of playing with stands.

    The first is to use multiple 6mm or 10mm figures (or figures in some other smaller-than-15mm scale, I suppose) on a stand of roughly the same size as the base an equivalent single 15-28mm figure would be standing on. You would then be playing as normal, treating each small stand of small figures as a single Strength Point same as if it were a single 15-28mm figure.

    The second way is to use larger stands (regardless of what scale the figures are) and have each stand represent more than one Strength Point. This necessitates some modifications of game mechanics (using dice or counters as Strength Point trackers, etc) but these are explained and illustrated. Similar rules are used to have large creatures (ogres, etc) count as multiple Strength Points (if needed/desired) even when all figures are individually based.

    The big difference from HOTT is that whatever way you’re representing your units, Dragon Rampant plays as a skirmish or quasi-skirmish game in the sense that there are no facings and all units are assumed to be moving and fighting in loose formation or something like it (with the exception of when Heavy Foot or Light Foot form the defensive, immobile Wall of Spears formation). So there are no such things as flank attacks, rear support or other aspects of grand battleline-vs-battleline type warfare. The game represents a more “spontaneous” sort of melee than that.

    When played with 15-28mm figures in the way originally envisaged by the game designer, there would typically be somewhere in the order of 60 figures per side, but there’s some fluidity here as well – you can use Reduced Model Unit rules to reinterpret the game as a smaller encounter, as long as you apply the same standard to both sides. Or if you have the figures and the playing area for it, there’s no reason you couldn’t have multiple single-based figures count as one Strength Point each.

    #53928
    Ivan Sorensen
    Participant

    Appreciate the break down.

    So this seems like it’d look amazing with a mass of 6mm guys then, putting 3-4 on each stand and it’ll look like a pretty solid battle.

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    #53930
    Rhoderic
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    Appreciate the break down. So this seems like it’d look amazing with a mass of 6mm guys then, putting 3-4 on each stand and it’ll look like a pretty solid battle.

    I’d say so, but of course you don’t get much (or any) of the grand tactical maneuvering, formations, command-and-control, etc that you get with, for instance, Warmaster.

    #53933
    Ivan Sorensen
    Participant

    Sure sure, but this is for playing with the kid, so that might not be a bad thing in any event 🙂

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