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  • #5619
    Ivan Sorensen
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    http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/3-21-71/ch1.htm#par6

    Looking at this and this seems to indicate that you have:

    3 squads of 8 + 1 squad leader.

    4 Bradley’s to stuff them all in.

    But doesn’t the A2 version of the Bradley and earlier only transport 6 men? 4 Bradleys would then transport 24 but the platoon has 27 dismounts.

     

    I am sure I am missing something perfectly obvious but can anyone fill in the blanks for me?

    Thank you in advance!

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    #5637
    Yukon5G
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    There’s always room for one more.

    Also, this is paper strength. At any time there will be shortfalls, due to sick call/injuries, leave/R&R, detailed out for other tasks, etc.

    Sink meh!

    #5696
    John D Salt
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    I think the driver, gunner and vehicle commander are all members of the squad, so 6+3 = 9, problem solved.

    All the best,

    John.

    #5704
    Sondergaard
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    #6124
    Graham Knight
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    That makes sense. Plus as I understand it certain specialist personnel would be left back depending on the mission

    Graham

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    #6167
    John D Salt
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    Having dug a bit further, I am beginning to suspect that “making sense” is not too likely where the Bradley is concerned.

    A RAND report available Harry Freeman’s at

    http://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR184.html

    gives an account of the whole sorry saga.

    First, they make do with three dismounted squad of 6.

    Then, they switch to two dismounted squads of 9.

    Finally they squeeze three dismounted squads of 9 into the vehicles by reintroducing the section (as in Halbzug, not the British section) level of command, as described in the FM posted by Sondergaard (or Abelard Snazz).

    All the best,

    John.

    • This reply was modified 6 years, 11 months ago by John D Salt.
    #6874
    Jeff Glasco
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    I don’t know about the modern TOE, but when I was a Bradley platoon leader from 1986 to 1987 there were four BFVs and 32 men. The first BFV was the platoon commander’s and it contained the platoon leader, a gunner (NCO), a driver, and RTO, and usually an additional NCO (sometimes the third squad leader) for when the platoon leader dismounted (he would take over as gunner or commander). The second and third BFV’s had 9 men each (squad leader, gunner, driver, assistant squad leader and five dismount infantry). The fourth BFV had nine men as well, but it also included the platoon sergeant. We were often understrength, so the third squad leader usually rode with the platoon sergeant in the fourth BFV; the RTO would take over as gunner in the platoon leader’s BFV if he dismounted. While maneuvering, the 1st Squad and platoon leader’s BFVs formed one maneuver wing and the 2nd and 3rd Squad’s (with the platoon sergeant) formed the other maneuver wing). When dismounting, either the platoon leader or platoon sergeant dismounted with the infantry and the other stayed with the BFVs. Honestly, we usually just stayed mounted as we were often understrength (despite it being the Cold War/Reagan era and we were in Germany).

    Jeff

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