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  • #34695
    Angel Barracks
    Moderator

    I saw something on TMP that shocked me, it was a thread about how much people would be willing to pay for a 28mm figure.
    I was amazed that many would only pay $1.00 for a 28mm metal figure.

    So, if you needed some 28mm figures, how much do you think is reasonable for general rank an file and how much for those one off super swanky nice figures?

    [poll question=’How much for a regular 28mm figure’ answers=’up to £1.00, £1.01 to £1.50, £1.51 to £2.00, £2.01 to £2.50, £2.51 to £3.00, £3.00 plus’]

    #34696
    Not Connard Sage
    Participant

    £1-1.50. I’m talking historicals here, because fantasy/sci fi figures have a stupidly inflated price all of their own.

     

    I’m a cheap bastard, but to me these (£1.20 each)

     

     

    Look better than these (£1.33 each)

     

    While these (£1.10 each), are probably better than either. Dunno, because I haven’t seen them in the…flesh

     

     

     

     

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    #34697
    Mike
    Keymaster

    £1-1.50. I’m talking historicals here, because fantasy/sci fi figures have a stupidly inflated price all of their own.

    Do you think that is because they expect to sell less so need to charge more to get their money back?
    Or just because…?
    Or something else?

    #34698
    Not Connard Sage
    Participant

    £1-1.50. I’m talking historicals here, because fantasy/sci fi figures have a stupidly inflated price all of their own.

    Do you think that is because they expect to sell less so need to charge more to get their money back? Or just because…? Or something else?

     

    Just that I guess.  I’ve got around 500 Front Rank code FS1 WSS French infantry. No bugger’s going to buy 500 Space Marines, all in the same pose. Are they?

     

     

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    #34707
    irishserb
    Participant

    The price that I’m willing to pay is a function of pricing in years past, the change in my income over the years, and the cost for me to produce my own figs.  I know when I’m being gouged, and I know when I’m not.  Other considerations will go into a purchase; is the maker a one man shop vs. evil empire, figure quality, likely popularity of a given range (i.e., am I the only dude that will ever buy any of them), etc.  I don’t really mean to be a cheap-skate, fate has just kind of imposed that on me.

    • This reply was modified 5 years, 3 months ago by irishserb.
    #34709
    Guy Farrish
    Participant

    Well according to online inflation calculator (Bank of England) £1 worth of goods in 1974 would cost £9.30p in 2014: so my 5p Hinchliffe figure then should cost c45p now. Adding a bit for the rise from 25mm to 28mm and (arguable) improvement in sculpting quality, I reckon c£1.20 gives a very fair comparative return. I’d wince a bit at £1.50 and £2.00 would have to be a very good foot figure indeed – special officer or something I know the seller isn’t going to have volume sales on.

    • This reply was modified 5 years, 3 months ago by Guy Farrish.
    #34711
    kyoteblue
    Participant

    I don’t game in 28mm…..shrug.

    #34715
    Piyan Glupak
    Participant

    I voted, but to be honest, I don’t see myself doing any more 28mm any time soon.  I prefer 6mm and 15mm now. Perhaps this is because I am more interested in massed battles than skirmishes, which is where 28mm figures are particularly good.

    If I was a wonderful painter of 28mm like some of the people posting pictures on this site, then I might be more interested in big figures.

    #34717
    Alvin Molethrottler
    Participant

    £1-1.50. I’m talking historicals here, because fantasy/sci fi figures have a stupidly inflated price all of their own.

    Do you think that is because they expect to sell less so need to charge more to get their money back? Or just because…? Or something else?

    Before GW chucked WHFB in the bin in favour of AoS their pricing was modeled on the CCG market with its “pay to win” ethos. Rank and file models were cheap (by GW standards) but everything else was priced in accordance with how effective it was under the rules, ergo pay to win.

    Also, if you are willing to pay £2.50p for a 28mm figure (as at least five of you are) would you be willing to pay £1.25p for a 15mm figure?

    And finally, to actually reply to the question, I voted for option 2 because I have a limited amount of disposal income so for me cost is an issue.

    #34719
    Not Connard Sage
    Participant

    I voted, but to be honest, I don’t see myself doing any more 28mm any time soon. I prefer 6mm and 15mm now. Perhaps this is because I am more interested in massed battles than skirmishes, which is where 28mm figures are particularly good. If I was a wonderful painter of 28mm like some of the people posting pictures on this site, then I might be more interested in big figures.

     

    I ‘do’ 28mm because my eyesight’s not up to painting the smaller stuff. I’d really struggle with 15s now, and 6mm look like blurry blobs to me.

     

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    #34720
    Mike
    Keymaster

    Also, if you are willing to pay £2.50p for a 28mm figure (as at least five of you are) would you be willing to pay £1.25p for a 15mm figure?

    I would.
    I wonder if those who have less projects on the go as it were, would be willing to pay more, as overall they need less?

    #34721
    Not Connard Sage
    Participant

    Also, if you are willing to pay £2.50p for a 28mm figure (as at least five of you are) would you be willing to pay £1.25p for a 15mm figure?

    I would. I wonder if those who have less projects on the go as it were, would be willing to pay more, as overall they need less?

     

    No I wouldn’t

     

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    #34722
    Rhoderic
    Participant

    I only do skirmish gaming and a bit of what some people define as “skirmish plus” gaming (along the lines of Beyond the Gates of Antares) in 28mm, so rank-and-filers don’t exactly exist in my world.

    However, I do sometimes use historical figures that are more-or-less intended/sold as rank-and-filers for skirmish gaming, and if we define that kind of figure as “a regular 28mm figure” like in the poll question, then I’d be prepared to shell out £2 if it’s of a quality equivalent to, say, Artizan, Front Rank or The Assault Group. To be clear, this is on the premise I don’t need an awful lot of them. 28mm massed battle wargaming “in the grand manner” is not for me – I couldn’t paint that many figures in that scale anyway.

    For more “characterful”, skirmish-oriented historical figures (eg. pirates, cowboys, samurai, heroic-looking knights, Darkest Africa types, Back of Beyond types) and rank-and-file-type fantasticals (orcs, elves, space marines, whatever) of a similar quality I might go slightly higher, let’s say £2.50.

    For “characterful fantasticals” I can go quite a bit higher. I just recently paid £4.50 a pop for some sci-fi gang members from Heresy and £4 a pop for some Urban Mammoth VASA troops (which I’ll use as Street Judge / Adeptus Arbites style cops to oppose the gangers). I got about 10-11 of each. It’s close to my pain threshold and I’m quite worried that I’ve been overspending lately (really, I lead a very modest and budget-minded life, and not by choice may I add), but I really, really wanted those figures.

    For years now I’ve had a hankering to try one of the “boutique” games, possibly Alkemy or Bushido, or even Infinity (which is rather “post-boutique” in terms of popularity by this point, but still priced the same). We’re talking about human-sized 28mm figures priced at £7-10 here. Of course I wish they would be a lot cheaper, but I may still take the plunge as long as I can restrain myself to a fairly small number of figures. I see other people play these games, and you know what? They seem to be enjoying themselves! Besides, I already play Heavy Gear Blitz, for which a normal-sized mech costs around £5-6 (and I have to pay for shipping from the US to Sweden, and can’t save on shipping by ordering a lot at once as that would make the order susceptible to being hit with Swedish VAT and handling fees ), although to be fair a normal-sized HGB mech is a bit more substantial, in both bulk and complexity, than a 28mm human.

    #34723
    Not Connard Sage
    Participant

    Much as I like them, I wouldn’t pay two quid for Front Rank.

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    #34724
    Mike Harrop
    Participant

    I’ll happily pay £1.00 – £2.00 for a 28mm foot figure, more for the individual rather than rank and file I.e. £4.00 for a Crooked Dice mini. Though I begrudge paying the £1.70 ish for a single 6mm tank from GHQ which uses about the same amount of lead.

    Mike

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    #34725
    irishserb
    Participant

    My view on 15mm is that the figs should run in the $.55-.60 each range right now, using a similar method to that what I described above to arrive at the price.  I wouldn’t pay the price suggested above.

     

     

     

    #34727
    Rhoderic
    Participant

    On closer inspection, I may have been a bit unfair when I said 28mm human-sized boutique game miniatures are priced at £7-10. Looking at a representative selection of boutique games (Alkemy, Bushido, Infinity, Dark Age, HellDorado, Anima Tactics, Eden, Freebooter’s Fate, Wrath of Kings, Malifaux, Relic Knights) a more accurate average interval seems to be around £4-9 (it varies quite a bit from game to game, despite a largely consistent quality and style of sculpting). Of course there are also many larger-than-human figures which are proportionally more expensive.

     

    Much as I like them, I wouldn’t pay two quid for Front Rank.

    I think the critical thing here is that I would pay £20 for 10 Front Rank figures, but I would not pay £200 for 100 Front Rank figures. I probably couldn’t find a use for 100 Front Rank figures.

    Similarly, I might be prepared to pay £12.50 for 10 15mm figures if they’re very good ones which I definitely want and which would be central to my collection. But I would never pay £125 for 100 15mm figures, even if I could probably find a use for them as I game larger-scope encounters in 15mm than I do in 28mm.

    But anyway, I don’t think it’s proportional for a 15mm figure to be priced at half a 28mm figure, at least not in terms of the 28mm figure prices I’m accustomed to.

    • This reply was modified 5 years, 3 months ago by Rhoderic.
    #34735
    William Jones
    Participant

    I expect to pay something between $1.50 and $2.00 for rank and file 25mm – 28mm.  That is for metal, which is my preference.  I know some people regard plastic and resin as comparable or superior, but for me it is always a downgrade.  The fewer the minis required, the more I am willing to pay.  I don’t mind paying $50.00 – $100.00 for an exceptional band of marauders or adventurers, and have several wish lists drawn up in that range for Frostgrave.

    For the remarkable one off mini – I’ve paid anywhere from $3.oo – $50.00 on ebay for OOP stuff that impressed me.  Not often, but I have.  I doubt that I would do that anymore.  I’m honestly more interested in doing my own sculpts and getting them cast for that kind of money.

    3D printing is something I am watching with interest.  Right now it is too crude and too expensive, but it is also in its infancy.

    #34751
    Northern Monkey
    Participant

    Also, if you are willing to pay £2.50p for a 28mm figure (as at least five of you are) would you be willing to pay £1.25p for a 15mm figure?

    I would. I wonder if those who have less projects on the go as it were, would be willing to pay more, as overall they need less?

    That’s true for me, I only use 28’s in skirmish style games(10-20 minis) these days, so don’t mind paying that little bit more, saying that Perry’s are about £1.15 each and Artisan £1.85, so it has to be a really good model to get me to pay over £2 but I would if I liked it

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    #34763
    A Lot of Gaul
    Participant

    My view on 15mm is that the figs should run in the $.55-.60 each range right now, using a similar method to that what I described above to arrive at the price. I wouldn’t pay the price suggested above.

    I don’t do 28 mm or skirmish wargaming, and I am with Irishserb on this one. Barring discounts, the Blue Moon 18 mm metal figures comprising my large Ancients armies retail at US$0.58 per infantry figure, US$1.37 each for cavalry, and US$1.60 per mounted command figure. I don’t see myself spending much more than that.

    Cheers,
    Scott

    • This reply was modified 5 years, 3 months ago by A Lot of Gaul.

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    #34771
    willz
    Participant

    Personally I like to pay as little as humanly possible for my 25mm / 28mm figures but around the £1 – £1.20p is what I think is fair.  However I do buy from manufactures who offer discounts on large buys of 100+ figures.  I do not buy from manufactures who do not offer discounts on large purchases.

    Some of the best are Crann Tara, Spencer Smith, Irregular, Ebor, Warfare to name a few.

    #34787
    Alvin Molethrottler
    Participant

    Discounts? When I was selling 15mm figures I couldn’t afford to offer discounts as I didn’t buy enough “lead” (actually Number 37 white metal) to get a cheaper price. If you’re bringing your figures in from China by the container load sure why not offer discount for bulk purchase, but “one man in his shed” type operations (which I most certainly was) just don’t have the wiggle room on prices.

    #34804
    A Lot of Gaul
    Participant

    Russ and Connie Dunaway may not exactly qualify as “one man in his shed,” but I don’t think it would be fair to describe them as “bringing your figures in from China by the container load,” either. In any case, they do manage to give a rather nice discount to folks who elect to buy into their ‘Old Glory Army’ program. Just sayin’. 

    Cheers,
    Scott

    "Ventosa viri restabit." ~ Harry Field

    #34835
    Alvin Molethrottler
    Participant

    Russ and Connie Dunaway may not exactly qualify as “one man in his shed,” but I don’t think it would be fair to describe them as “bringing your figures in from China by the container load,” either. In any case, they do manage to give a rather nice discount to folks who elect to buy into their ‘Old Glory Army’ program. Just sayin’. Cheers, Scott

    And where do these people live, Scott, because I’ve never heard of them? But, just for argument’s sake lets assume they where to live in the USA and I live in the UK. The UK is the 8th most expensive country to live in on the planet while the USA is the 25th most expensive – source (random Google searches are credible sources right?) lol. Anyway my point is that just because the Dunaway’s are in a position to offer a discount it doesn’t mean everyone else is/was.

    #34837
    Angel Barracks
    Moderator

    I can’t offer a discount, but here is some food for thought.

    I can’t offer discount as I don’t do the casting myself.
    If I did I could.

    Is the OG rrp inflated to take this loyalty discount into effect?
    But also, don’t you have to buy the discount from OG?

    #34848
    Peter Berry
    Participant

    I may not have a huge interest in 28mm figures, but speaking as someone who deals in hot metal and little men, I’d say that most historical wargames figures are hugely underpriced.  Take into account the costs involved and the volumes sold means that there is generally very little return on investment.

    Wargamers nowadays want professional levels of investment in product, service, production values and presentation, but want to pay hobby levels in terms of price.

     

     

    #34855
    A Lot of Gaul
    Participant

    I don’t believe anyone is suggesting that all figure manufacturers should offer volume discounts, only that some manage to do so successfully without importing Chinese figures by the container load. 

    Russ and Connie Dunaway are the proprietors of Old Glory 25s, and they are indeed located in the USA. Membership in their ‘Old Glory Army’ program is entirely optional, however the fee of US$50 for a year-long subscription does entitle members to a 40% discount from the normal retail prices that I mentioned in post #34763 above. One would need to purchase at least 8 infantry packs in order to make the membership fee worthwhile. BTW, the company does not sell figures individually, but rather in packs of 30 infantry, 15 cavalry, etc., so there is some volume discount already built into the retail price for each pack.

    A brief web search indicates that there has been a branch company in the UK since 1992 – Old Glory UK, operated by Andy Copestake. The web site currently offers Blue Moon “large 15mm” miniatures at a retail price of £0.40 per infantry figure (i.e., £12.00 for a pack of 30 figures). The site does not appear to have the ‘Old Glory Army’ discount, although there is a ‘6 packs for the price of five’ deal (16.66% discount), for shows and telephone orders.

    Just as an aside, I am not affiliated in any way with Old Glory 25s, other than as a very satisfied customer. 

    Cheers,
    Scott

    "Ventosa viri restabit." ~ Harry Field

    #34870
    A Lot of Gaul
    Participant

    P.S. For the sake of comparison with some of my other favourite manufacturers, Xyston Miniatures sells their 18 mm infantry figures in packs of 8 for £3.50-£4.00 per pack (£0.4375-£0.50 per figure), and Anthony Barton sells his 18 mm AB Figures individually for AUD$0.95 (as of today £0.46) per infantry figure. However, shipping to the US can add as much as 30% to the overall purchase price, which is why I usually prefer to buy imports such as these from US-based retailers like Noble Knight Games.

    Cheers,
    Scott

    "Ventosa viri restabit." ~ Harry Field

    #34872
    William Jones
    Participant

    I may not have a huge interest in 28mm figures, but speaking as someone who deals in hot metal and little men, I’d say that most historical wargames figures are hugely underpriced. Take into account the costs involved and the volumes sold means that there is generally very little return on investment. Wargamers nowadays want professional levels of investment in product, service, production values and presentation, but want to pay hobby levels in terms of price.

    This brushes against territory that always makes me a little anxious.  The margin of profit is so low that the only way we enjoy the variety of offerings that we do is because because the proprietors are often passionate about their product and are gamers themselves.  As a customer, sometimes it is worth paying more simply to keep the company owners in this very small and niche business interested in carrying on.  This is also the main reason I hate pirates so much.

    #34874
    Rhoderic
    Participant

    Yeah, I like to think of most miniature manufacturers as “patrons of the arts” for our hobby. I’d like to join their pantheon one day.

    #34881
    Otto Schmidt
    Participant

    I pay  1.6 to 2 pounds for Surens and Staddens from Tradition of London for foot figures and up to 3 pounds for  cavalry. That’s fine by me. I like the 30mm size and always liked these figures since I started buying them 45 years ago. Smaller scales have no allure for me.  Postage is on top of that.

    Otto

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