It’s back….

[ian pillay]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/07/01/warhammer-preview-battle-on-an-epic-scale-in-the-horus-heresy-legions-imperialis/

Epic is back. Apparently they have taken all the best bits of previous editions of the rules for this version.

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[Mike]

Do we actually know the size of the models?

I guess from their normal MO, about 9mm by now?

[Jim Webster]

moving to 10mm rather than 6mm?

One hint might be, “all of your Adeptus Titanicus and Heresy-relevant Aeronautica Imperialis miniatures can be used in Legions Imperialis thanks to rules and unit profiles found in the massive Legions Imperialis Rulebook. ”

If I had a clue what scale these are it might give us a clue 🙂

I wonder if it’s going into more detail that the old epic rules did? When you worry if your ‘ Contemptor Dreadnoughts with a power fist and either twin-linked lascannons or Kheres assault cannons.’

I await with interest. I might well be picking these figures up in ‘bring and buys’ in ten or so years time 🙂

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[Tony S]

From the linked article –

around a quarter of the height of their larger Horus Heresy counterpart miniatures

So, if the Horus Heresy are about 30mm tall…around 7.5mm?  Well, if that’s true – and the round basing is critical to the rules – and if they only cover the Horus Heresy – that’s good for sales, because those of us like me, that only have square or rectangular 6mm bases, can’t use our existing collections.  Or at least the old models won’t mix well.

Harrumph.

[Jim Webster]

Tony S wrote:

that’s good for sales, because those of us like me, that only have square or rectangular 6mm bases, can’t use our existing collections. Or at least the old models won’t mix well. Harrumph.

 

I suspect that is a feature not a bug

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[Andrew Beasley]

It’s worth watching the Twitch stream for a few more clues.

• Thinner bases so the figures do not get swamped
• Its 30K only – IIRC Humans and Space Marines – cannot remember about warp creatures / inhuman followers of the Ruinous Powers – Forgeworld has a few…
• Figure scale matches the aircraft – does that mean the titans are a different scale (or not to scale)?
• No mention of how or if it integrates with the current rules / figures for Areonautica or Titanicus – I guess they will have the relevant rules in the book and the rest just go their own way in 40K

I wish they did not have the starter box – the forces look odd and I would rather have SM vs SM with humans as general cannon fodder.

Honestly cannot wait to see more details – hope it’s not a version of ‘buckets of dice’ and allows foot troops to stand a chance against the tanks / Knights…

[Tony S]

Jim Webster wrote:

Tony S wrote:

that’s good for sales, because those of us like me, that only have square or rectangular 6mm bases, can’t use our existing collections. Or at least the old models won’t mix well. Harrumph.

I suspect that is a feature not a bug

Hence my “harrumph”.  And, I must admit, if I may continue in my grumpy old man mode, even if everything was compatible, the outrageous prices (in my opinion) that GW are now charging, would make me pause.

I have lots of 6mm SF troops and I have lots of very good rules suitable for said collection.  (You may be rather familiar with some of  them 😉).

But I like your “wait a year or two for bring & buy sales” idea!

[Jim Webster]

My first thought was that (because I don’t have any of the infantry on square bases) I actually like the round based troops.
And they will fit in with the look people try to achieve with Brigade Models 🙂

 

Leak this to GW and their figures will be back on square bases within the week 🙂

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[Norm S]

Probably overall a good thing in terms of a) showing viability and vibrancy of the hobby and b) there is a new generation of gamers for GW to service.

The start up costs must be pretty enormous.

[Jim Webster]

Norm S wrote:

Probably overall a good thing in terms of a) showing viability and vibrancy of the hobby and b) there is a new generation of gamers for GW to service. The start up costs must be pretty enormous.

 

Still cheaper that funding the war in the Ukraine (just)  😉

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[Mike]

Jim Webster wrote:

One hint might be, “all of your Adeptus Titanicus and Heresy-relevant Aeronautica Imperialis miniatures can be used in Legions Imperialis thanks to rules and unit profiles found in the massive Legions Imperialis Rulebook. ” If I had a clue what scale these are it might give us a clue

They said that about The Old World and your original WFB models, but that is 25mm vs 32mm.
And 20mm bases vs 25mm.
So for me saying you can use your old models smells like poo poo.

[Sane Max]

I always thought it was a mistake making Epic stuff as small as they did – I think more kiddoes would have been willing to try to paint 10mm. I certainly didnt start collecting them until i was forced to do so.

But I am very happy with my NotNids, completed only on Friday 🙂 They are not even GW mostly which makes me even happier.

[Darkest Star Games]

My friends and I still have a ton of the old SM/AT stuff (pre-Epic, and some of the newer AT stuff) so if the rules are any good then we might play it with the old minis.  If it’s trash then no loss.  We don’t tend to play at shops anyways.

Of course, there’s also always the oooooold rules…

 

"I saw this in a cartoon once, but I'm pretty sure I can do it..."

[Jim Webster]

Somebody shared this with me

 

So actually they should fit reasonably well with 6mm infantry not in powered armour

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[Deleted User]

Yay, more epic stuff. Nooooooooo, the expected scale change.

I like how they have more details on them, especially the imperial guards troops, but I’ll wait and see how they’ll expand on this or will it stagnate like Titanicus. I’m hoping for more variation in infantry types but it’s more likely going to be more vehicles.

I really thought they’d redo Battlefleet Gothic before they do Epic.

[Mike]

Jim Webster wrote:

Somebody shared this with me

They call him Ali. 😉

[Jim Webster]

yep
Anybody looking at doing this would do worse than look at his 6mm buildings 🙂

https://www.iliadagamestudio.com/

 

Look who’s just nipped in to change his library books 😉

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[Andrew Beasley]

First overview from G.W. on Warhammer Community

and it’s own web page https://thehorusheresy.com/legions-imperialis

tl;dr

• Armies are built to formations – ‘Each Formation is essentially an entire Horus Heresy – The Age of Darkness army’
• Aim is to capture objectives
• Orders given to ‘detachments’ secretly each turn
• You move / fire one detachment then your opponent does
• Titans are deadly but the game is ‘scores of warriors are killed in a single round’
• Many terrain types
• Lots of figures due

Bothered by the power of Titans – reads that only aircraft can take them down so does this dissolve into an air superiority game??? Do not know – too early to say.

[sean lone]

Some more info saying it’s compatible with Aeronautica and Legion.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/07/03/10-things-you-need-to-know-about-warhammer-the-horus-heresy-legions-imperialis/

 

[Mike]

I do think the basing looks terrible. Why don’t the integral bases slot into a base like they did before?

Why are they all on skateboards?

#grumpy

[Andrew Beasley]

Mike wrote:

I do think the basing looks terrible. Why don’t the integral bases slot into a base like they did before? Why are they all on skateboards? #grumpy

They actually hid the base of the small titan during the week before after accidentally releasing the picture!

I like the idea of the flat based but I think these are just fixed with blu-tac in a hurry and it’s a poor example to show first

Possibly it’s the junior staff member that got to base them?

[Jim Webster]

Andrew Beasley wrote:

blu-tac

Ah but it’s GW, £15 per 100gm blu-tac

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[ian pillay]

Mike wrote:

I do think the basing looks terrible. Why don’t the integral bases slot into a base like they did before? Why are they all on skateboards? #grumpy

gives them a plus 2 move modifier 😂😂😂😂

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[Steven Francis]

So when they say compatable with old miniatures they mean Aronitica Imperialis and current Adeptus Titanicus not older epic minis. So anything you have that is 6mm scale will look very small next to them and I guess the same for scenery…. So no reusing the 4 editions of epic is you play in somewhere that wants it official. Googling shows the current Reaver titan is about the size of an epic Imperiator… So would make a beatle back warlord look really off. Shame they didn’t go the other way to 3mm for the actual large battles.

 

No idea on the rules yet but get the feel that it will be but I see a lack of blast markers in the box content so likely not 3rd edition with suppression rules, at least in a visable way which is a shame as that really added and was my favourite rule set

[Jim Webster]

Interesting, I was  talking to one mate, they intend to print stuff to go with the game, so they’re more interested in the rules.

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[Andrew Beasley]

Jim Webster wrote:

Interesting, I was talking to one mate, they intend to print stuff to go with the game, so they’re more interested in the rules.

Makes sense – a HH Space Marine looked very similar no matter what side they where on IIRC. You had different styles of armour (e.g. Mk3 vs Mk4) but they would be worn by Death Guard and Ultra Marines so 1 set does for all.

Now if we get detailed models of the Primarks they would be different but that’s a £25+ box and rules (say £40-50 a set).

[Steven Francis]

There are plenty of proxy models out there for Epic… Basically gw are far too late for the models for those with the time and capacity for printing. Sadly 8 do not have a printer… And have no friends with one…

[Mike]

Latest musings are that they are closer to 9mm or 10mm.

[Andrew Beasley]

Have to go into Grimsby / Lincoln (avoid Hull with eh road works) and see if they have a HH Marine – the new diagram still does not give a size…

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/07/04/small-but-perfectly-formed-a-closer-look-at-the-incredible-legions-imperialis-miniatures/

Actually the car has to go in on Tuesday so if we are not sorted by then I’ll try to get in 🙂

[Mike]

Apparently the big marine is on a standard 32mm base.

Also apparently the image of that base is 320 pixels wide…

So someone did the maths.

[Thaddeus Blanchette]

Protip for everyone here: Vanguard’s 3mm looks like its from the Horus Heresy, it’s  beautifully sculpted, and it’s about ten times cheaper, unit for unit.

We get slapped around, but we have a good time!

[Thaddeus Blanchette]

Wait, what? Now there are 18 legions…? Am I having a brainfart or were there always 18?

We get slapped around, but we have a good time!

[Mr. Average]

There were always 18 and two “lost” legions.

[Deleted User]

“Apparently the big marine is on a standard 32mm base. Also apparently the image of that base is 320 pixels wide…
So someone did the maths.”

I thought they were including larger base. They’ve beem moving towardfs 32mm base to match 32mm minis so I didn’t see why they’d stick with the old size.

There’s nothing stopping anyone from using the old infantry with all those titans and knights though, unless they’re going for accuracy. It’s probably why they went with the new, old 30k vehicles so any sticklers for accurage models will have to buy them. I forsee ebay and etsy shops selling those 30k era vehicles in 6mm in the near future. Maybe there will be more people playing 40k and related games in 8mm.

I’m more curious about any terrain they might make.

[Darkest Star Games]

You know, these 30k beaky marines, being larger than the old epic marines, might actually look right/”fluff real” next to the old epic Imperial Guard.  I’ve always had a fondness for the beakies, and these look way better than my old Space Marine/Adeptus Titanicus marines from 1996.

"I saw this in a cartoon once, but I'm pretty sure I can do it..."

[Tony S]

To be honest, I’ve always thought 10mm is the best scale for modern-ish games.  The armour is small enough that ranges don’t look too silly on the table, but infantry is still quite recognizable.

That said, I’ve got WW2 in two scales (6 and 15) and SF in three (6, 15 and 28) and I’ll be damned if I’m adding another!  😉

[Jim Webster]

I have Sci fi in 2mm, 6mm, 15mm, 28mm and effectively in 54mm as well so I am quite able to resist the lure of 10mm 🙂

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[Andrew Beasley]

Looks like the majority are way bigger than the old Epic figures https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/07/28/legions-imperialis-size-comparison-old-vs-new/

Shame they have staggered the models – only the Ogryns and a few Titans are next to each other for a clear view.

I sold my Epic many years ago so I have no legacy to worry about and the larger ones will be easier to paint / see for me 🙂

May have a birthday / Christmas gift idea (may be just more plastic in the pile if I’m honest) as I always wanted a Baneblade tank and they are coming https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/07/27/heresy-thursday-teasing-a-trio-of-tiny-tanks/

 

[Jim Webster]

10mm manufacturers could find that trade looks up for them 🙂

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[Mr. Average]

Far be it from me not to jump on a convenient bandwagon, but to do so only in my own unique way. To wit: 3mm scale Horus Heresy in the making:

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