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  • #111273
    Grimheart
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    Just starting painting up some british paratroops after a long spell on vehicles and other stuff.

    Reveiwing sources, books, reenactors pics, google pics, various wargame manuafacturers pics and so on seem to give all sorts of colours from green to yellow to linen for webbing and anklets.

    The green seems odd to me and i have tended to favour a yellowish or light linen colour as it stands out more.

    So does any one have a definitive answer as to what colour it should be, or is it as i suspect a case of “depends” ?

    Cheers for thoughts on the matter!

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    #111276
    MartinR
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    Late war nwe webbing should be Blanco KG3, a mid/dark green.

    Other theatres (esp Italy) may be different.

    That is the colour of my South Staffs enactment webbing, but my toy paras have unblancoed tan webbing as I think it looks nicer😀

     

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    #111281
    grizzlymc
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    In the recollections of rifleman Bowlby, he mentions getting some blanco for their webbing, which must have been dark green as he says that the faded natural webbing provided a magnificent aiming point for the Germans in woodlands. Earlier in Italy they would use the unblancoed webbing which apparently fades to almost white. Of course, YMMV. I am thinking of making my Rifle brigade wear black boot polished webbing, just because I read somewhere that they did.

    For the benefit of those not familiar with British army nomenclature, the Rifle Brigade are as regiment of half track infantry found in an armoured brigade, just to clear up any misunderstanding..

    #111282
    NTM
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    Here’s a Vallejo colour chart for webbing/blanco created by Tony Barton

     

    KG3 does seem to have been the most common from D-day onwards but I still tend to paint as are webbing as prefer the contrast.

     

    Blanco No. KG3 Khaki Green (Dark)

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    #111286
    MartinR
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    KG3 (like all green dyes on cotton fades pretty quickly in sun and rain.

    For all you ever wanted to know about blanco, https://www.blancoandbull.com

    In the desert and Italy it as common to scrub the webbing which remove most of the original tan dye which made it almost white. More a mark of desert veteran status than anything practical, like DAK troops bleaching their caps.

    Regimental Sergeant Majors had much to say what was and wasn’t appropriate in terms of webbing colour. It should be noted that many items of webbing were not intended to be blancod, including rifle slings and certain types of equipment carriers. Which doesn’t mean that some regiments still didn’t do it.

     

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    #111287
    MartinR
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    Meant to add, 44 pattern webbing (and it’s successor 58 pattern)  started off dyed dark green in tht first place.

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    #111299
    Grimheart
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    Thanks all.

    Looks like blanco kg3 dark green it is then.

    Or at least something close (ish) he says, rumaging thru all the greens and browns he currently has for anything similar……!

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    #111332
    Jemima Fawr
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    It’s worth mentioning, in order to clear up any misunderstanding, that Blanco was a coloured wax paste, akin to shoe-polish, that was rubbed onto webbing – either as a camouflage colour, or as a ceremonial colour (i.e. white or black).  It also served to waterproof the canvas webbing.  The webbing itself was naturally a light buff-khaki colour, as mentioned above.  As it was subjected to wear, the blanco would flake off and need constant maintenance and as a consequence it was very common for troops to simply scrub it off, exposing the natural buff-khaki colour.

    At least one Canadian Rifle regiment (Queen’s Own Rifles, I think?) used black blanco in the field as a ‘regimental thing’.

    Webbing wasn’t dyed green until the 44 Pattern, which remained very rare even in 1945.  Some Indian factories also produced 37 Pattern dyed in Jungle Green for use in the CBI Theatre, but again they remained rare and troops in that theatre often painted their webbing green or black using vehicle paint.

    As has been said: Some things were never meant to be blanco’d.  In particular, the cotton bandoliers for holding extra rifle ammunition were just thin, pinkish cotton and would never, ever be blanco’d.  The bandoliers were completely disposable and were usually issued already filled with ammunition and then thrown away when the ammo was used up.

    • This reply was modified 3 weeks, 3 days ago by Jemima Fawr Jemima Fawr.

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    #111407
    Harry Faversham
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    Here you go, 1 to 1 scale 1944 British Airborne webbing. Both soldiers ’37 pattern webbing has been blancoed green, note the difference in shade to the Bren wallet in the right hand bloke’s hand, that bit of webbing has not been blancoed. By Arnhem webbing chinstraps had started being issued, these were not to be blancoed. The disposable .303 cotton bandoliers can be seen on the bloke on the right…




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    #111408
    grizzlymc
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    That bloke on the right looks as if he is about to get his arse blown off by a PIAT.

    #111439
    Jemima Fawr
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    What colour Blanco for the curtains…? 

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    #111455
    Grimheart
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    Thanks for all the replies folks.

    Much appreciated.

    Interest include 6mm WW2, 6mm SciFi, 30mm Old West, DropFleet, Warlords Exterminate and others!

    #111476
    grizzlymc
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    What colour Blanco for the curtains…?

    I think the curtains were done with the “Gay striped” blanco standard issue to Royal Marines and rearguard.

    #111751
    Harry Faversham
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    Well it’s Arnhem, innit… so the curtains are Vellejo orange.

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