Looking for DBN v2.1 Rules

[Darryl Smith]

Where might one find DBN v2.1 in print in the United States? I do not like pdf formats…eats too much of my own ink and I’d rather pay more for a hardcopy version. Heck, if someone has printed out or would print out a copy I would be willing to pay for that!

Thanks!

Buckeye Six Actual
https://ambushedinthealley.blogspot.com/
http://foragecaps.blogspot.com/
http://germancolonialgaming.blogspot.com/

[Not Connard Sage]

DBN isn’t available as a print edition. It’s PDF only.

Darryl Smith wrote:

Heck, if someone has printed out or would print out a copy I would be willing to pay for that! Thanks!

And that^^^ is piracy.

Heck, the table of contents, rules, optional rules, QRS, appendices, index and army lists only run to 50 pages total. All text, no illustrations. The core rules make 24 pages.

Obvious contrarian and passive aggressive old prat, who is taken far too seriously by some and not seriously enough by others.

[Mike]

NCS is correct.
Making copies of copyright protected products is not cool at best.
TWW does not condone this in anyway.
If you were unaware then fair enough, but please do not ask or encourage anyone to do anything illegal.
Let me know if you want me to remove this topic in light of this information.

 

[Who Asked This Joker]

Matt Murray says, “No!” to piracy.

John

"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power."

--Abraham Lincoln

[Mike]

That looks like that sports thing I hear about?

[Who Asked This Joker]

Indeed!  Technically Matt Murray is just saying “No!” in general.  He’s kind of a negative guy…or something.  😉

John

"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power."

--Abraham Lincoln

[Rules Junkie Jim]

Why not just take the pdf to a printer and get them to print and bind it for you? That’s what I did with a particularly long ruleset that I couldn’t be @rsed printing myself. It worked out a bit more expensive, but not that much, and I didn’t have to listen to my elderly inkjet puffing and wheezing through ca. 150 pages.

[Darryl Smith]

Piracy, totally didn’t think of it that way. I meant if someone had already took the time to have a copy printed or was going to that I would love a copy and would pay for the printing and shipping. But yep, see that now.

However, I did not see the same sort of policing reply to when a member asked for those buying his wares that he would only take PayPal payments via friends and family, which is a direct violation of PayPal’s policy. Hope we don’t have inconsistency issues here like a certain other site.

Pretty sure that I cannot take a pdf to a copy shop for printing as there would be a copyright which keeps the copy shop from printing it out, or do I have that wrong?

Buckeye Six Actual
https://ambushedinthealley.blogspot.com/
http://foragecaps.blogspot.com/
http://germancolonialgaming.blogspot.com/

[Mike]

Depends, a lot of the PDF’s I have purchased say either on the site or in the PDF that permission is given to print a copy for personal use.
I also think the law says that making a copy for personal use is permissible, as a back up copy.
I would need to check the legislation around media again.

Darryl Smith wrote:

However, I did not see the same sort of policing reply to when a member asked for those buying his wares that he would only take PayPal payments via friends and family, which is a direct violation of PayPal’s policy. Hope we don’t have inconsistency issues here like a certain other site.

The issue is of balance, whilst I do want to be fair and consistent, the PayPal thing you mention is not criminal, it is as you say a breach of their T&C’s.
(I do however think such action is not acceptable by the way.)
Piracy and recasting and similar things are however criminal and damaging to us in the hobby business, and the hobby as a whole.

I have neither the time nor desire to point out everything I see as immoral or bad on here, plus it would make for an unpleasant site!
But I feel an obligation to protect the interests of the companies in this business.

I hope that comes across as how I intended, which is not as a go at you, but rather trying to keep the hobby business alive and kicking.

 

[GeoffQRF]

Depends pretty much on how the licence is issued. Generally once you purchase the PDF you are entitled to print as many sets as you like… for your own personal use.

“Oh..b… I threw my coffee all over my set, I’ll print off another”

You may even be able to justify printing 2-3 sets

“I have one at home and keep one at work… uh… for those quieter moments… in my lunch”

What the licence will usually state is that you cannot print off 10 sets and sell the other 9, ie commerical use. What should happen is the other 9 people should buy the PDF and print off as many copies as they want, for their own use. 🙂

You shouldn’t share the PDF either, because in the same way each share is a sale loss to the original owner. PDFs generally aren’t expensive so worth a punt. If you like it, show them to a friend, let them browse it, get them to buy the PDF and have a set printed (or just keep it on a tablet). I just bought a copy of something from Wargames Vault which had a ‘pay what you want’ option. The average was $2. I paid $5, because I think anyones time is worth at least $5.

Copy shops may be cautious because they don’t know if there are any copy restrictions. That said, I bought a couple of PDF files from Wargames Vault recently and had them printed for me in the University.

Where it gets tricky is if you decide later you don’t like them, so want to sell the hard copy you own… which should be fine. Of course printing and selling 2-3 copies may be ok. 5 copies might be getting dubious. 20 copies is going to be very suspect 😉

Darryl is good people – no harm, no foul.

QRF Models Limited
www.quickreactionforce.co.uk

[Mike]

GeoffQRF wrote:

Darryl is good people – no harm, no foul.

I think so too, which made it harder to say what I did.

[Darryl Smith]

Thanks, guys…and thanks Geoff for the positive vibes!

I’ll give my local print shop a try then.

Buckeye Six Actual
https://ambushedinthealley.blogspot.com/
http://foragecaps.blogspot.com/
http://germancolonialgaming.blogspot.com/

[Who Asked This Joker]

<q>Darryl is good people – no harm, no foul.</q>

I never meant to insinuate Daryl was dishonest if my post was taken that way.  That’s why the goalie instead of a long diatribe that nobody would read anyway.  😀

Print shop is definitely the way to go for a longer set of rules.

 

 

John

"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power."

--Abraham Lincoln

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