Marmon-Herrington – How to Tell a Mk III from a Mk II?

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The Mark III hull was supposedly a little shorter than the Mark II. (The Mk I was broadly similar to the Mk II, but only served in South Africa) ). There were changes to the body & turret but these seem to have been introduced throughout production & are more useful in distinguishing between early and late versions within the mark number. Both Marks seem to have had ‘topless’ conversions. Warwheels have some useful pointers to distinguish between the variants. http://www.warwheels.net/MarmonHerrington2INDEX.html http://www.warwheels.net/images/MarmonHerringtonMk3statsheet2.pdf http://www.warwheels.net/MarmonHerrington1INDEX.html

Mark IIs’ apparently from the 11th Hussars.

I think this is a Mark III, based upon the radiator protection.

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Marmon-Herrington MKIII has a fairly square back and is a bit shorter.

MKI and MKII have the more angled back and perhaps a bit longer.  Armament is basically the same.

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Interesting in that bottom black and white picture, having the rocks stacked like that at the wheels.  Was that to deflect bullets, or stop sand from piling up?

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Judging by the relaxed look of the crew, maybe the rocks were standing in for cricket stumps…

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Your top photo is probably of Mark IIs Tim. It’s taken in Syria & the Mk I didn’t see service outside South Africa. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Deir_ez-Zor Original photo is in IWM collection.

That last photo has been suggested to be a pair of Dutch Mark IIIs in post war service in the DEI. They were supplied in 1941 to the Dutch East Indies Army, captured, repainted and used by the Japanese & then recaptured and used again by the Dutch. The original IWM caption apparently has them in RAF Regiment service though! https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:IWM-CF-973-Armoured-cars-Batavia-19451219.jpg

For all I know, the Indonesians may have used them post independence too.

Another photo of the pair.

Ok, so what are these?

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Spot on. Apparently based on the TH-310. http://www.warwheels.net/USAArmoredCarThesisHAUGHto1940.html 12 built according to one link.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/330333/thread/1111927699/Persian+Chariots useful information if the Anglo-Soviet occupation of Iran had ‘turned hot’.

I’ve also seen a reference to the Marmon-Herrington ‘A7SC’ which probably isn’t the same thing & too obscure to photograph (at least online). Apparently bought by Iran, China and Venezuela, along with 38 unarmoured ones for training for the USNG. (Reference looks to be a pirated copy of an OOP book so not linking!) also http://www.warwheels.net/USAacChronologyHAUGH.html

EDIT -this may be the A7SC. It has the look of a M-H product, though it’s listed as the Ford M-H T13 SC. From http://militarymashup.com/armored-wheeled-pre-ww2.htm (lots of other obscure vehicles on that link!)

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I had been looking up stuff on the Dutch KNIL (East India company crowd) last week which is what got me into looking up information on the Marmon-Herrington again as the KNIL had some. My understanding so far is that they had modified IIIs – I think I saw an letter suffix for these but can’t be sure at the moment.

On the ownership – I don’t know what the Indonesians wore, but the crew commanders of both cars are wearing berets with regimental crests. That’s definitely a British thing, but on the other hand, it could be an indonesian thing too ….

They’re British – RAF Regiment, although the Dutch KNIL would have probably had British uniforms in 1945-6.

Another mystery car…

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