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    Ochoin
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    https://style.nine.com.au/2018/11/02/16/36/this-is-what-those-weird-coat-buttons-are-used-for

    An article that describes a eureka moment when young women discover the original use of shoulder straps on fashionable coats they’re buying.

    Really? They didn’t know this??

    I’m not sure whether I should be appalled they didn’t know the point of shoulder straps or that I do.

    donald

    #103188
    Mike
    Mike
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    I didn’t know that. I always thought it was to help display your rank.

    #103210
    cmnash
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    or somewhere to stuff your beret/cap

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    #103215
    James Manto
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    I didn’t know that. I always thought it was to help display your rank.

    Up until WW1 officer ranks were on their cuffs.

    Which strikes me as bring very unhelpful to a young subaltern

    #103216
    Sane Max
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    are we sure that IS what they were for?

    I too assumed they were there for Rank display as well as a handy place to stick your cap. Oddly, when I last broke my collar bone I used them for stopping my back-pack sliding off my one working shoulder in an annoying way, and as a result the strap wore out really, really quickly.

    If you used them to stop an army pack sliding off your shoulders, those buttons would have the life-span of a mayfly.

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    Mike
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    zippyfusenet
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    If you used them to stop an army pack sliding off your shoulders, those buttons would have the life-span of a mayfly.

    Depends how strong strap, thread and buttons are. I think they were meant to hold the shoulder belts for the cartridge box and sword belt, rather than a back pack. Shoulder straps were a standard feature on Confederate uniform jackets made at the Richmond Depot. They were so poorly made that the soldiers would generally cut them off.

    You'll shoot your eye out, kid!

    #103286
    Mike
    Mike
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    Crap!!
    That post of mine from my phone is huge….

    Sorry…

    #103287
    deephorse
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    or somewhere to stuff your beret/cap

    Don’t let the R.S.M. catch you doing that!

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    Jemima Fawr
    Jemima Fawr
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    are we sure that IS what they were for? I too assumed they were there for Rank display as well as a handy place to stick your cap. Oddly, when I last broke my collar bone I used them for stopping my back-pack sliding off my one working shoulder in an annoying way, and as a result the strap wore out really, really quickly. If you used them to stop an army pack sliding off your shoulders, those buttons would have the life-span of a mayfly.

    Yes, it’s definitely what they were for. Back in the 18th Century, when soldiers generally had a knapsack slung over one shoulder, there was usually a single shoulder-strap/epaulette on that shoulder (or often just off the back of the shoulder).  Then, as backpacks became more prevalent around (1800ish) uniform coats received two shoulder-straps/epaulettes.

    Some armies used shoulder-straps/epaulettes to stop the cartouche-belt or sabre cross-belt sliding off the shoulder rather than the knapsack, but the principle was the same.

    Shoulder ‘wings’ and ‘rolls’ also descended from items designed to stop belts from sliding off the shoulders.

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