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  • #92009
    Harry Faversham
    Harry Faversham
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    Both MM magazine and it’s online forum have left us forever…
    another part of our childhood rides off into the setting sun.

    "Wot did you do in the war Grandad?"

    "I was with Harry... At The Bridge!"

    #92010
    Not Connard Sage
    Not Connard Sage
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    Haven’t bought it for years, but I still have issue 2.

    My copy’s a bit more worn than this one 🙂

     

    "I go online sometimes, but everyone's spelling is really bad. It's... depressing."

    #92013
    Harry Faversham
    Harry Faversham
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    I’ve still got a couple of the old Battle – for Wargamers magazines. That went tits up, because back then there wasn’t enough gamers to support it, it was incorporated into MM magazine.

    "Wot did you do in the war Grandad?"

    "I was with Harry... At The Bridge!"

    #92014

    Russell Phillips
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    Wow. Last time I bought that must have been in the early 1990s. I kind of assumed it went belly up years ago.

    #92022
    General Slade
    General Slade
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    I bought it religiously from the early 70s to the early 80s.  I threw them all out about five years ago (something I now of course regret doing).  My favourite feature over the years was Tony Bath’s Hyboria campaign (“The Campaign That Grew”) and I used to enjoy Charles Vasey’s boardgame column (Across the Board).

    #92023
    Norm S
    Norm S
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    Battle had a major influence of the development of my wargaming. Being pre-internet it was the glue to the fabric of the hobby.

    http://commanders.simdif.com

    #92033
    deephorse
    deephorse
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    Both MM magazine and it’s online forum have left us forever… another part of our childhood rides off into the setting sun.

     

    Well that’s a shock, I haven’t read April’s issue yet and there was no hint of disaster in the editorial.  That said, it had been getting thinner of late, and a few editors came and went.  At least it’s demise wasn’t for lack of support from me.  I’ve been buying it every month since around the mid 1970s, and probably even earlier IIRC.  A great shame.

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    #92064
    MartinR
    MartinR
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    My old copies of MM went years ago, however I still have all my old Battle magazines….

    "Mistakes in the initial deployment cannot be rectified" - Helmuth von Moltke

    #92067
    Harry Faversham
    Harry Faversham
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    Some of my most cherished memories as a modeller are of trying to copy the conversions of the 54mm Aoirfix Napoleonic figures, into either, the 7th Cavalry or Charge of the Light Brigade Troopers… anyone remember those articles from times gone by?

    "Wot did you do in the war Grandad?"

    "I was with Harry... At The Bridge!"

    #92068
    John Treadaway
    John Treadaway
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    I didn’t realise? It still seems to be on pocket mags. Have you a link showing it’s going?

    If this is the case then – as an ex contributor (and  – back in the day – purchaser of both that and Battle) – this is really sad news.

    No I don’t have my old copies either (which probably says something, though I’m not quite sure what). Does anyone rememebr the ‘winter of discontent power cut issue’? All mono except for a two colour cover?

    Very sad to see it go.

    John Treadaway

    www.hammers-slammers.com
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    "They don't have to like us, snake, they just have t' make the payment schedule" Lt Cooter - Hammer's Slammers
    #92096

    Spotted a copy of MM at a big Washington, DC  newsstand back in the early ’70’s, featuring a Napoleonic game; I grabbed and devoured it on the way home.  The article, and the ads inside, contributed to making me a wargamer.

    When Battle became available in my local hobby shop, I bought every issue. Maybe there wasn’t enough support from wargamers, but you still have to get some impulse buyers. I wondered at the time if seeing people measuring distances, as above, and:

    Or about to roll dice:

    was the best way to grab attention. Not every cover showed this kind of thing, of course, but enough to make me think the editors believed it conveyed the height of excitement.

    It seems the editors of later magazines caught the idea that what drew people was wargames figures, rather than  figures of wargamers.

    #92099
    General Slade
    General Slade
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    Some of my most cherished memories as a modeller are of trying to copy the conversions of the 54mm Aoirfix Napoleonic figures, into either, the 7th Cavalry or Charge of the Light Brigade Troopers… anyone remember those articles from times gone by?

    I think the Charge of the Light Brigade conversions were in Airfix Magazine rather than Military Modelling.  I remember spending ages converting an Airfix kit into a 17th Lancer only to realise when I was half-way through that I had no idea what the tails/turnbacks on the jacket were supposed to look like. There had been loads and loads of articles on how to convert the figures into all kinds of poses but at the time I couldn’t find a single picture showing what the uniform looked like from the back.  So my lancer ended up charging down the valley in a uniform with no coat tails.

    #92100

    zippyfusenet
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    OhMhyGawd, Hafen, those shirt collars! Those magazine covers look like a version of That 70s Show produced by the BBC.

    I recall those times, but I was never that kempt or fashionable.

    You'll shoot your eye out, kid!

    #92103

    Ha! I was looking at this blog:

    http://wheretheseapoursout.blogspot.com/2015/04/fantasy-wargming-in-1970s-look-through.html?m=1

    One of the commentors was planning to attend Salute as a “70’s Wargamer”. Wonder if he did.

    But hey– At least no double knit  “leisure suits” in Battle!

    (That I can recall, anyway. )

    #92106
    General Slade
    General Slade
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    The beardy guy on the last Battle front cover is just about to roll the die on the map, which will make those flattened down creases pop back up and the counters will go everywhere.   I hate that guy!

    #92107

    Yeah, don’t want to be “That Guy”.

    I can’t remember if there was an article associated with the top cover. “Mansplaining for Wargamers”?

    #92111
    Not Connard Sage
    Not Connard Sage
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    The beardy guy on the last Battle front cover is just about to roll the die on the map, which will make those flattened down creases pop back up and the counters will go everywhere. I hate that guy!

    Anyone know what the game is? It looks like one of GDW’s Europa series.

    And the photo in general looks like the intro to some extremely dubious 70s Scandiporn. 🙂

     

    "I go online sometimes, but everyone's spelling is really bad. It's... depressing."

    #92115

    Does, doesn’t it? I don’t remember the counter colors.

    If we’re going to do photo forensics, what’s that piece of paper reading “OVUM”?

    #92117
    General Slade
    General Slade
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    And the photo in general looks like the intro to some extremely dubious 70s Scandiporn. 🙂

    The image of those two guys combined with the promise of “Extra Fantasy Features” probably got the magazine put on the top shelf at the newsagent.

    #92133

    zippyfusenet
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    Anyone know what the game is? It looks like one of GDW’s Europa series.

    Not nearly enough counters for an Europa game.

    You'll shoot your eye out, kid!

    #92140
    willz
    willz
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    Wow an other iconic magazine gone, sad news indeed.  I had Military Modelling from day one my Dad bought it for me, I bought it up until around 2001. Stopped buying it, still got several hundred magazines.  Always worth a read every now and then.

    Yes I did wear shirts with wide collars .

    #92141
    Harry Faversham
    Harry Faversham
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    Look at all them thin, gormless looking, blokes with beards!

    Brings to mind a little story.

    I’d arranged to meet my daughter at Sheffield Triples when it was held at the Octagon. She rocks up to the counter where a mate of mine was selling the tickets…

    Herself…

    “Is mi’ Dad here yet?” 

    Fat bloke, with beard, selling tickets…

    “Wot’s he look like?”

    Herself…

    “Fat bloke with a beard.”

    Fat bloke, with beard, selling tickets…

    “You’re going to have to narrow that down a bit, it’s a wargame show.”

    Me, slithering from cover and into range…

    “Afternoon Missy… the bar’s this way!”

     

    "Wot did you do in the war Grandad?"

    "I was with Harry... At The Bridge!"

    #92148
    deephorse
    deephorse
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    Apparently MM will now be part of “Model Military International” magazine.  Not one I’m familiar with.

    As for the boardgame on the magazine cover, I was thinking that maybe it was SPI’s “War in the East”, but again the counter density looks way too low.  The Crimea is on the left of the photo with the Baltic approach to Leningrad on the right.  I have a copy of that game, but having only played it once some 40 odd years ago I cannot be sure that it is.  I might dig it out and examine the maps, but then again I might not!

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    #92154
    Not Connard Sage
    Not Connard Sage
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    Anyone know what the game is? It looks like one of GDW’s Europa series. Not nearly enough counters for an Europa game.

    Some Europa games , in the context of 70s ‘monster’ games anyway, had reasonable counter…er…counts. Marita/Merkur for instance.

    Drang Nach Osten on the other hand…

     

    "I go online sometimes, but everyone's spelling is really bad. It's... depressing."

    #92157

    Oh lord, something tells me I’m going to find myself digging through boxes, searching out my old copies of DNO and Battle. Groan.

    Meanwhile, here’s another one to chew over. Will Wheaton: Time Traveling Gamer?

     

    #92159
    Patrice
    Patrice
    Participant

    It was a long time ago… certainly…

    http://www.argad-bzh.fr/argad/en.html
    http://www.anargader.net/

    #92164
    deephorse
    deephorse
    Participant

    Anyone know what the game is? It looks like one of GDW’s Europa series. Not nearly enough counters for an Europa game.

     

    Checked Boardgamegeek and it’s “War in the East” second edition.  They have that very map section uploaded to the site.  My copy is the first edition, the maps are different and play involves a lot more counters!

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    #92165

    zippyfusenet
    Participant

    …it’s “War in the East” second edition.

    Yeah, those rivers snaking along the hexsides of Mother Russia looked very SPI, as did the rather stark color palette.

    Some Europa games , in the context of 70s ‘monster’ games anyway, had reasonable counter…er…counts. Marita/Merkur for instance.

    I own Marita/Merkur, I even played it a few times in bygone days. It had fewer counter sheets than Drang Nach Osten, but the Balkan front was so much narrower that counter densities were similar. That was the joy of Europa. I have a shelf of Europa games, that I’m going to get back to one of the days, before my eyesight fails completely. I also have a stack of old Military Modelling zines stashed somewhere in the basement, if the cats haven’t defiled them. I’ll have to go look for them.

    You'll shoot your eye out, kid!

    #92173
    Not Connard Sage
    Not Connard Sage
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    I own Marita/Merkur, I even played it a few times in bygone days.

    So do I, and so did I. I also own Fall of France, but I’ve never played that.

    I had Case White and Their Finest Hour too, but they got sold. The latter was a scary proposition, with full blown air and naval wars as and an amphibious invasion well as the stuff happening on land IIRC. Never played that either though, but apparently the second edition, which I had, fetches silly money now 🙂

    As you’ve probably guessed my plan was to play the early part of the war up to the invasion of Russia. I only needed Narvik, and about three years spare time, and I was good to go 😀

    "I go online sometimes, but everyone's spelling is really bad. It's... depressing."

    #92766
    deephorse
    deephorse
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    As you’ve probably guessed my plan was to play the early part of the war up to the invasion of Russia. I only needed Narvik, and about three years spare time, and I was good to go 😀

     

    I played my copy of War in the East once, and only once.  It’s been back in its boxes ever since.  I was unemployed for a while after leaving university and spent several hours a day over many months playing it solo to a conclusion.  By doing everything that the real Germans didn’t (treating the Ukrainians nicely, halting and consolidating once Generals Mud & Winter arrived etc.) the Germans won (in terms of that scenario) in the first half of 1942.  I just wish I had the time and space to play it again.

    Oh, and Military Modelling has been incorporated into Model Military International I believe.

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