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  • #8916
    Avatar photoshelldrake
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    Well, the AAR is to follow.

    At the moment I have set up my playing area to play out a Vietnam War mission for my LRRP team.

    Previously I played a few phases of the rules to get them squared away in the old noggin and now I am ready to play a game.

    I dug out my Vietnam war game cards I created and randomly drew a mission for the LRRPS: they need to place four sensors along a train. I will treat each sensor placed as a objective that earns them victory points.

    The type of mission helped determine what terrain I should place out, and I placed four American flags along the path to represent the objective locations.

    Next I placed my LRRPs, place my VC figures, ‘VC blip flags’, dice, counters and game cards to the side of the playing area.

    Each turn I will roll two different d6.

    One die is for ‘VC blips’. On a ‘6’ a blip will appear on the table and move randomly each phase. If it comes in to line of sight, I draw a card form the enemy deck to see what, if anything, the blip represents. If it is a VC, I place the figures indicated by the card on to the table and it is time to ‘rock n roll’.

    The other die is for random events. These can be useful, a hindrance, or something very nasty.

     

    The layout for my game:

    table set up

     

    The objective markers:

    table with objective markers

     

     

    VC, game cards, counters, dice and VC blips:

    VC and game cards

    The LRRPs deploy:

    LRRPs deploy
     

     
    The LRRPs I will treat as ‘Professional’ and the VC ‘Irregular’.

    The LRRPs are being treated as ‘Self Motivated Individuals’ to reflect the way a LRRP team worked in the field. They also have the ‘Scouts’ and ‘Specialist – Artillery Observer’ skills.

    Hopefully I will play out the game tomorrow and post the AAR sometime soon after playing. I will take notes during the game to assist with the AAR.

    #8938
    Avatar photoIvan Sorensen
    Participant

    Love the idea of the cards. Can’t wait to see how it goes.

    #8959
    Avatar photokyoteblue
    Participant

    Cool !!!!

    #8965
    Avatar photoPaul
    Participant

    Looking forward to an update. Might steal some of your ideas for Selous Scout patrols in the Rhodesian Bush War (I also like the mission card and hidden enemy ideas).

    Those are brave men knocking at our door. Let's go kill them!

    #8974
    Avatar photoshelldrake
    Participant

    I want to do the same thing for the Rhodesian Bush war too Paul – I just need more than eight figures to get the game up and running.

    I have four decks of cards – one a random event deck, an enemy deck, an asset deck and mission deck. I made the decks especially for Vietnam war gaming, and is such a way they can be used for any game rules.

    As I have just woken up for the day, sorry to say this post isn’t the AAR

    #9002
    Avatar photoshelldrake
    Participant

    Now for the AAR:

    The LRRPs deployed in to the jungle and headed for their first objective. Each turn I rolled for the appearance of enemy blips and for events, and for the three first turns every thing was quiet in the boonies.

    After three activations for each turn I declared them exhausted rather than risk rolling the dice, and the phase ends.

    At the start of the next phase an enemy blip appears rather too close to the first objective than I would like. I roll for a direction of travel for the blip, and it will move through the jungle to the river ford.

    It is at this stage that things start to go wrong for the LRRPs.  They reach the each of the trail close to the first objective, and I start rolling 1’s for activation rolls. In fact I rolled three 1’s for this turn. The remain three LRRPs move in to position closer to the trail and I declare them exhausted.

    Whilst this was going on, the enemy blip was moving, and when they were within 12″ of the LRRPs I made a spotting roll* for the blip to determine if they could spot the LRRPs. Sure enough the blip sees the LRRPs and opens fire**

    Due to the declared exhaustion, the blip manages to fire a second burst at the LRRPs – fortunately both attacks missed.

    As a fire fight has begun, I add +1 to all rolls to determine is an enemy blip comes on to the table from now on.

    The next phase starts and the a LRRP passes a spotting roll and I draw an enemy card and determine I am up against a VC LMG team consisting of an LMG gunner, an assistant and a team leader.

    As I used two LRRP activations to spot the VC (one failed test, one passed) I decide to use the right most LRRP, the Team Leader, who is partially exposed next to the trail to rush across the other side of the path to flank the VC team. I rolled high on his die roll and he makes it in to cover without getting a burst from the LMG.

    The Senior Scout goes for an activation and I roll a 1. As he as already been activated, this means he is now exhausted! The VC open up on him and the Junior RTO near him. They miss the Scout, but pin the RTO.

    The last two LRRPs to be activated push out to the left flank and in to rear security respectively.

    After a short lunch break I returned to my game…

    The LRRP that rushed across the road is activated and fires at the closest figure, being the VC leader, pinning him.

    Another LRRP fires at the LMG assistant, and I get a good result and wounds him.

    Having fired all the weapons I can at the VC they now check for morale. This time luck with with the LRRPs – I roll a 1.  The VC morale falters  and I removed one from play. I remove the wounded VC.

    The VC commander activates and removes his pinned marker, and orders the RPD to open fire again. One LRRP is pinned.

    I try to activate the first pinned LRRP and roll a 1. This means his is exhausted – I now have two exhausted LRRPs at the moment.

    The VC commander activates the LMG again, but has no effect. I make a status check for the LRRPs, which they pass by the skin of their teeth.

    I declare all the LRRPs exhausted, as does the VC commander. This ends the phase and a new one begins. I roll for “Change of Plans” for the VC, and they will go on the defensive.

    The Team Leader out on the right flank fires at the VC commander and pins him.

    Rolling for the VC status they pass easily and can continue the fight. The activation roll is low, allowing the commander to remove his pin and nothing else.

    I unpin one of the LRRPs, but a follow up activation from the VC pins him again, as will as forcing another LRRP to keep his head down.

    I now have three pinned and one wounded LRRP, which gives me a -4 to the status check. I roll a 4, failing the check and forcing my LRRPs back 4″. I also draw some reaction shots from the VC gunner, but it was only a parting gift for the LRRPs with no consequences.

    This brings all but the Team Leader out of range of the RPD, so I make an activation roll for the TL and get a 1, causing him to be exhausted.

    As the team leader is still on the path, the VC commander uses two activations to fire at him. Lucky for the TL, he is only pinned.

    I fail the status test for the LRRPs by rolling a 1 – the LRRPs fall back again. The Team Leader makes it off the path in to cover, but is now pinned.

    I must need another lunch break, as the next LRRP rolls a 1 for activation and is also exhausted due to being pinned, as are the next two activation die rolls for the next two pinned LRRPs.

    The VC commander declares exhausted as he has three stress and doesn’t want to push his luck and have a permanent stress marker.

    I have two LRRPs I can still activate, one of them being the LRRP with the radio on the Artillery net: “Four, this is five-one, Fire Mission, Danger Close,over”.  I activate the RTO and roll a 6 to start comms: “Five-one, this is Four, Fire Mission, Danger Close, out.”

    As I have a few actions up my sleeve for the Assistant Team Leader, I activate him and unpin a LRRP.

    The RTO continues with his first mission with his next actiation, and the ATL uses another to unpin another LRRP.  “Four, this is five-one, VC support weapon, At my command,  two rounds fire for effect, over”.

    I push the situation and continue the fire mission and try to get the ATL to unpin the Team Leader. The ATL fails and is exhausted, but my luck is in with the fire mission: “Five-one this is four, ready over”.

    “Five-one, Ready. Fire, Over”  and I declare the RTO to be exhausted, thus ending the turn. I place three target points on the table in a linear pattern and end the phase.

    With the new phase the VC have no change to being on the defensive, no more enemy blips appear, and there is no event.

    As the VC are out of line of sight, they waste any activations waiting to see what the LRRPs do, blissfully unaware that some rounds have been called down on them.

    I use the LRRP activations to get the remainder of the team unpinned, which I manage to do. I exhaust the Team Leader in doing so though, but sucessfully manage to move the remainder of the team further away from the expected artillery point of impact. I declare every one exhausted and the artillery rounds land.

    I get lucky and the rounds only deviate a little, two of them landing so close to the VC that they are going to have a bad day regardless of what I roll for the blast affect.

    The first round kills the gunner, and the second round catches the VC commander with full effect sending him all over the jungle (I rolled two hits, and two 6’s for damage effect).

     

    With any enemy on the table I consider completing the mission, but with one wounded LRRP, I decide to call in a medevac and extract the team.

     

    The mission was a minor victory for the LRRPs, with 7 VPs in total. They did fail to plant any sensors along the trail, but did engage the enemy and get a body count.

     

     

     

    *As the game is set in the Jungle I reduced visibility as if it was night time.

    ** Once a blip has been spotted by the LRRPs I draw an enemy card to determine what, if anything, it is. Until then, the blip has two fire power dice and one kill die.

     

     

    This ends my AAR for my first full game of ‘No End in Sight’. I will post thoughts and comments later.

     

    #9003
    Avatar photokyoteblue
    Participant

    Hum. I’ll reread this a couple of times before I try a game of my own.

    #9006
    Avatar photoPaul
    Participant

    Nice. By the sound of it your US forces were lucky they got artillery support, otherwise they would have been in a bit of trouble. Thanks for sharing.
    EDIT: Oh, and I really like the way the cards seem to work.

    Those are brave men knocking at our door. Let's go kill them!

    #9044
    Avatar photoIvan Sorensen
    Participant

    Very interesting game. Having everyone be self-motivated is a very interesting perspective but makes perfect sense for a special forces type of affair.

    Looks like a tense game too. Super interested (and slightly nervous) in hearing your feedback and feelings. 🙂

    #9060
    Avatar photoshelldrake
    Participant

    The game was very tense, and the three VC figures back up by communist dice rolls were able to stop the LRRPs from their main mission!

     

    Feedback and feelings – In a nut shell, I love the game. It is very easy to learn, and I only had to refer to the actual rules when I needed to add a new component to what I was doing, such as calling in the artillery.

    The 3″ movement worked well for the type of game I was playing – a recon team sneaking through the jungle. I also created a ‘movement stick’ (seen in the first photo at the top of the image of the actual AAR). This sped things up a whole lot.  I suggest anyone playing the game make one of these. I intend to make one for different ranges for other uses in the game.

    The dice were the real enemy for the LRRPs in this game. They rolled more 1’s than anything else, and the VC had a lot of 5’s and 6’s. This is what broke the mission.

    It is very important to have lots of scenery that breaks line of sight, and this is mentioned in the rules. If you have an enemy hunkered down in cover and you need to cross an open ground, it is really going to ruin your day.

    I honestly wouldn’t change the rules in anyway. Normally I get a set of rules and make ‘house rules’. Not for this one. Except for having an index.

    The rules allowed for me to do what I needed; For example I could make the team a scout team that was highly motivated. I used night rules to reduce vision in the jungle.

    Any changes to my game would be on my behalf – the enemy blips and the chances of if a blip in an enemy or not and clearly mark out what areas are ‘open’ and what is cover. I would also make it harder for the enemy to spot the LRRPs – they would often hide metres away from the enemy without being seen.

    I also let the VC declare exhausted rather than push their luck with activations. I think I will add to the ‘Leader Dispositions’ chart how many activation rolls they will make before declaring exhausted. This a ‘Reckless’ leader will go for 6 activations a turn and a ‘Passive’ leader will only use one. This might have given the LRRPs a bit more of a chance, especially if I had encountered more enemy during the game.  (OK – so I have one house rule in mind)

     

    Lessons learnt:

    as mentioned, have lots of cover.

    Use ‘fire and movement’. Try to expose as few soldiers as you can when moving and provide plenty of covering fire – basically use fire and movement.

    get better dice. I was enjoying myself too much to launch my dice across the room in frustration

    Do your best to keep pins to a minimum. If this means taking your time to get troops into position with fire and movement, then so be it.

    playing aids – create some. I made the movement stick, and this sped things up a whole lot. I knew exactly how far I could move with out the tape measure knocking my scenery over, and it just made moving faster.

    I also want to create a number of fire team reference cards so that I have a list of what skills, if any, the soldiers have, and include a place to record stress and wounds etc.  This will remove the use of counters on the table that you can see in the photos.

     

    Rule questions:

    Can a soldier get more than one pin?  I played it as yes, and my Team Leader had two pin markers next to him at one stage.

    On the quick reference sheet is has “+1 per SAW” in the Firing box, but the rules say “+2”. Which one is correct? I went with the rules.

    I am fairly certain I had one other question, but can’t remember what it was. I will ask it as soon as I remember.

     

    Summary:

    “No End In Sight” is a very easy set of rules to learn, has very simple game mechanics, but don’t let that fool you. You have to make important tactical decisions that can make or break a game. Game play is fast and fun, and makes for a thrilling and tense game.

    The game works perfectly for solo play.

    I highly recommend these rules to anyone wanting to play a modern platoon level game.

    The rules could do with an index, and I am happy to put my money where my mouth is and come up with one if Ivan is happy to let me.

    #9064
    Avatar photoIvan Sorensen
    Participant

    Awesome, glad you liked it 🙂

     

    Movement sticks are a great idea. You could use a standard one that’s 3″ and have a 12″ grenade stick. Still need measuring for rushes but you can indicate 1 through 6 inches on the grenade stick.

    I’ve been pondering making little explosions for pins. Not sure if it’d get too cluttered though.

     

    For your questions:

    If a pin is allocated to an already pinned figure, they fall back 3″. They don’t get “double pinned”. (Double pins don’t break the game or anything, but it does make it much harder to push enemies out of a position)

    And you are right, the SAW is +2. The ref sheet is wrong, I’ll fix it. (though I suppose +1 might work for something like an RPK or a ww2 BAR).

    The 3″ moves catches people off guard but once everything clicks and you realize that you’ll get multiple moves, it works out. Its mostly a concern if you set up way too far apart and have to spend a long time moving into position.

     

    Cover is indeed everything. You’ll realize just how big a problem one guy with an RPK can be, if he’s in the wrong spot and you need to get past.

     

    If you’re up for doing an index, go for it. Make sure it has your name and the name of the game at the top is all.

    #9067
    Avatar photoshelldrake
    Participant

    Thanks for the reply, and the answers.

     

    I will start work on an index – not sure how long it will take, but I will try to get it done as soon as I can. It will give me something to do whilst waiting for my North Korean and US troops in the mail.

    #9070
    Avatar photokyoteblue
    Participant

    Could you maybe do a Turn/Phase cheat sheet as well.

    #9080
    Avatar photoshelldrake
    Participant

    Could you maybe do a Turn/Phase cheat sheet as well.

    The turn sequence is found on the Quick Reference sheet at the end of the rules, but I could come up with something a lot more detailed, but will send it to Ivan first for approval.

    #9081
    Avatar photokyoteblue
    Participant

    Sure !!!

    #9099
    Avatar photoshelldrake
    Participant

    If you’re up for doing an index, go for it. Make sure it has your name and the name of the game at the top is all.

     

    I have sent the index for your approval to the email address in the rules. I spent all of my work breaks doing it today, so it will need a good proof read due to the speed with which I created it.

    #9138
    Avatar photoIvan Sorensen
    Participant

    I’ll check through it but go ahead and send it to interested parties.

    #9142
    Avatar photoPaul
    Participant

    Please send to me Ivan – you have my mail address from the playtests. Thanks for putting it together Shelldrake.

    Those are brave men knocking at our door. Let's go kill them!

    #9149
    Avatar photokyoteblue
    Participant

    If possible I would like a copy as well.

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