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  • #155231
    Avatar photoDeleted User
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    Hello,
    So I want to surround the town with the wall like in the photo but want an easier way of doing it. The inner wal was done by cutting out plastic rods, line them up on masking tape before gluing them in place. For one thing I don’t have enough plastic rods for the outer wall and I have another town of roughly the same size to do.

    Suggestions? Is there a much easier way I overlooked?

    #155232
    Avatar photoMike
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    It may be too thin, but I did use spaghetti once to make fences in 15mm.

    #155234
    Avatar photowillz
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    Cut down tooth picks may be of the correct size you need.

    #155237
    Avatar photoMike
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    Cut down tooth picks may be of the correct size you need.

    That is much more sensible.

    #155238
    Avatar photoSteve Johnson
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    Toothpicks work a treat and pre-drill holes for them if you can, then you get a very strong joint to the base.

    #155242
    Avatar photoDeleted User
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    I should have mentioned the plastic rod I used is 0.5mm diameter. Working toothpick to that size sounds like a lot of work and getting them to the same size is going to be tough.

    #155243
    Avatar photoAndrew Beasley
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    How about BBQ skewers?

    Thicker than toothpicks and easy to cut with a knife or even micro saw.

    #155244
    Avatar photoJohn D Salt
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    If cocktail sticks and toothpicks are too fat, it probably needs a specialist dowel:

    AM2525/01 Ramin Wood Dowel 1mm

    All the best,

    John.

    #155246
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    @John D Salt

    Oooooh, I didn’t know those exist.

    #155255
    Avatar photoirishserb
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    I think you were actually close to the easiest way to do it.  Order more plastic rod from Evergreen, get a hobby chopper,

    https://nwsl.com/products/the-chopper

    Micro-Mark has a cheaper one for about $35, and somebody makes a metal one that I assume is a little pricier.

    Cut batches of a few different lengths of rods to get a little variation, then touch each piece to a drop of superglue on your pallet or piece of card or something, put it in place on the model.  Every ten or so posts, take a syringe wit solvent for plastic welding, and run it along the tops, squeezing out a minimum of solvent.

    Cutting the posts is maybe two minutes, total construction in myabe 15.

    You can also cut the plastic or wooden dowels by scribing them.  Line up your dowel next to each other, with the ends evenly aligned, mark cut points on one of the dowels, set your hobby knife against them, giving a little downward pressure, push the knife forward, rolling the dowels under the knife.  You have pressed a shallow slice into the dowels.  Move to the next cut line and repeat.  After several cuts, snap your dowels/rods at the cut points, and you have  zillion little posts.

    If you have troubles cutting several at a time.  Mark the cut points on a put of paper, card stock whatever, set the rod on the paper next to the cut points, and do  as above, but just making one cut in one rod at a time. This saves the time of marking each rod.

    Either the cutter, or the scribe and snap method with be a lot faster than cutting through the rod/dowel each time.  I’d go with the plastic, as the wood dowels will take a little more energy and require a little clean-up on the ends using the scribe and snap.

    #155257
    Avatar photoMike
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    The Chopper is a great addition to the modelers arsenal.

     

    #155263
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    @irish & Mike
    That chopper looks very tempting right now but I have a larger pile of tools than I have unpainted minis.
    I went ahead and used up the last plastic rod, along with not doing the outer wall on that town was just enough to finish the second town.

    #155265
    Avatar photoMr. Average
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    Well one thing you might try is taking the outer laminate off some corrugated cardboard. Make two layers of that and full the middle with something simulating dirt. That would make a fairly convincing Bailey wall with minimal effort. Not sure how the scale is – I couldn’t quite tell what your game scale is meant to be, or your timeframe. But if it’s the Dark Ages your people would have access to some nice, big pre-deforestation European logs.

    #155280
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    Oh I like the hobby chopper, I have lost count of the times I have made things that need lots of same size rods or planks.  My birthday soon I will have to drop a large hint to Mrs Willz, making sure I show her what I would like or I will end up with a long handled low riding 1970’s bike.

    #155303
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    If it’s going to be handled gently, Spaghetti will actually work, and because it’s organic you can use PVA. Otherwise I would go with dowel. Plastic is always my very last resort for making stuff, as I like the bonds PVA forms with organics.

     

    The edges for my 15mm movement trays start out as very thin noodles, which I then flock over for a small but useful raised edge. They cope OK with life if they are stuck to something 🙂

    #155311
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    @Sane
    You got me reading about PVA and interesting about it being biodegradable.

    I had another thought about spaghetti, those thin white noodles might be better size but I don’t know well it’ll work, they’re brittle and break easily.

    #155312
    Avatar photoSane Max
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    I would certainly not make this sort of thing out of just pasta. If you could get away with it, gluing them to a piece of card as short as the shortest piece maybe.

    I would go with dowel in the first instance… I was just seconding what Mike said.

     

    #156307
    Avatar photoCacique Caribe
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    Wow, I’ve never tried gaming anything smaller than 15mm so I am definitely no help.  But I am extremely impressed with the results so far!

    Dan
    Loads of WIPs: https://www.flickr.com/photos/9593487@N07/albums/with/72157710630529376

    #156795
    Avatar photo6mmwargaming
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    How about the old skool method of heating and stretching sprue to create thinner dowels? But you want a lot of pieces so this could be too slow.

     

    My 6mm Wargaming site https://6mm.wargaming.info

    #156847
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    @Cacique
    The initial project is done, here


    @6mmwargaming

    I have thought of that but I wasn’t sure I could keep the result consistent enough to use. I liked the idea of them not coming out completely uniform. The other thing is sprue are precious to me since I use them as armature for sculpting.

    #156913
    Avatar photoCacique Caribe
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    Thomaston

    Wow!  That project looks incredible.  I don’t think I’ll be able to get it out of my head anytime soon.

    Dan
    Loads of WIPs: https://www.flickr.com/photos/9593487@N07/albums/with/72157710630529376

    #157055
    Avatar photo6mmwargaming
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    I have thought of that but I wasn’t sure I could keep the result consistent enough to use. I liked the idea of them not coming out completely uniform. The other thing is sprue are precious to me since I use them as armature for sculpting.

    I agree and I think that if they aren’t uniform it’s a bonus.

    My 6mm Wargaming site https://6mm.wargaming.info

    #158636
    Avatar photoKitty Hay-Whitton
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    Spaghetti may attract weevils in time. It happened to me when I used haricot beans to make mielie bags for South Africa.

    #158643
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    Weevils go after these stuff even if they’re painted?

    #158646
    Avatar photoSane Max
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    I have had bad experiences with things you would not expect to be attractive to biologicals – most famously, the time I made wargames boards by covering Kingspan in boiled compost and PVA glue, I ran out toward the end and didn’t bother boiling the last batch. This stuff was coated in Yacht Varnish so thick you could almost have used it as river sections, and yet I still got a fine crop of tiny mushrooms on that last board 🙂

    But Weevils is a new one on me!

     

    #158771
    Avatar photoBokaso Bokas
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    I’m always looking to make some of the materials around me, you bastard.

    I’d try to make it out of wire. I have her in all sizes

    She’d be the only one who’d take an irregular length and put it together.

    Another way to try to make a fence out of fprex.

    He’d carve it with a nail.

    (thicker marks than other things)…

    I apologize for the bad language.

    #158772
    Avatar photoBokaso Bokas
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    I’m sorry, but he thinks the fence is redebeled for that scale.

    The houses might be more detailed, if possible.

    I’m sorry, I just want to help.

    #158776
    Avatar photoMike
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    I’m sorry, but he thinks the fence is redebeled for that scale

    Who is he?

    #158783
    Avatar photoMike
    Keymaster

    I apologize for the bad language.

    Easier than apologising is not doing it to begin with.

    😉

    #158801
    Avatar photoBokaso Bokas
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    An apology because I don’t speak English well.

     

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