Ottoman Turks

[Sane Max]

Hiya

ages since I bought a new army, and I have always had a hankering after the Essex Miniatures 15mm Ottoman Renaissance line.

So, If I buy them, what will I play with them? What rules would you suggest as suitable for the period, and are there any good army lists out there I can ruthlessly plagiarise in case there are none and I end up using Hail Caesar or Pike and Shotte instead?

Yes, I know I am doing it arse-backwards, I don’t care – I have my painting mojo back but can’t be bothered digging out one of my many (oh so many) unpainted armies I already own, plus I have far fewer renaissance armies than I would like..

[Not Connard Sage]

Ren Ottoman Turks? You must like painting horses.

The best rules for the period were Gush’s WRG set. Dated now though, as the bright young things demand faster, smaller, shorter. As do I, if I’m honest.

Impetus would do I reckon, as long as you didn’t go ‘late renaissance’. Whatever that may be. Muskets and stuff I suppose.

Obvious contrarian and passive aggressive old prat, who is taken far too seriously by some and not seriously enough by others.

[Sane Max]

You have a response to your post on FU-UK by the way.

[Not Connard Sage]

You have a response to the response.

 

This could last for days.

Obvious contrarian and passive aggressive old prat, who is taken far too seriously by some and not seriously enough by others.

[Fredd Bloggs]

Ottomans are great, Do Holy Roman Empire and Maltese for early ones and Austria and Poles for later period. Russians are also an enemy.

[Sane Max]

This could become very Meta indeed if we only replied on here to posts over there and vice-versa.

[Mike]

Sane Max wrote:

This could become very Meta indeed if we only replied on here to posts over there and vice-versa.

It could also become very locked and archived!

😛

[Sane Max]

‘could’ I said ‘could’.

I am seriously interested in opinions about Ottoman Turks and the best system to game them in, It wasn’t me started the silly!

Would Pike and Shotte be better for the period than HC? It’s a bit too mediaeval in terms of the fighting styles of the enemies isn’t it?

[Angel Barracks]

Sane Max wrote:

‘could’ I said ‘could’.

So did he…

😀

[Nick the Lemming]

Have you looked at By Fire and Sword?

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[A Lot of Gaul]

Sane Max wrote:

Would Pike and Shotte be better for the period than HC? It’s a bit too mediaeval in terms of the fighting styles of the enemies isn’t it?

IMHO, Pike & Shotte would be more suitable for your Ottomans. Hail Caesar is designed for Ancient-Medieval, i.e. pre-gunpowder warfare.

Cheers,
Scott

"Ventosa viri restabit." ~ Harry Field

[paintpig]

Not Connard Sage wrote:

Ren Ottoman Turks? You must like painting horses. The best rules for the period were Gush’s WRG set. Dated now though, as the bright young things demand faster, smaller, shorter. As do I, if I’m honest. Impetus would do I reckon, as long as you didn’t go ‘late renaissance’. Whatever that may be. Muskets and stuff I suppose.

This bright young thing will point you in the direction of Baroque, being the renarsehonce version of Impetus. Farce book group….. or page will steer you in the right direction young man and Lorenzo is pretty quick at answering queries and questions via the FB medium.

 

 

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[Sane Max]

subsidiary query – Essex have Pike Models for them. I was rather under the impression the absence of Pikes from the Ottoman Infantry was one of their problems?

[Guy Farrish]

Don’t know if it was a problem, but I too was under the impression it was a characteristic. Can’t remember anybody talking about Ottoman pikemen in any sources (willing to be proved wrong). No idea why Essex have them – mistake, drunken exuberance of the sculptor?

Wikipedia () has 900 pike armed Turks fighting the Portuguese in 1541 – interestingly no source given. Therefore I’d ignore it.

 

[Sane Max]

Shame – I am rather fond of Pike!

[Guy Farrish]

Me too -I’ve got hundreds of the damn’ things! Italian Wars, Thirty Years War, ECW but no Ottoman pikes

 

[Sane Max]

Hhe I will see your 17th century stuff and raise you half a dozen Macedonian Era Pike Armed armies as well.
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Bugger it, I am gonna get some anyway,I like Pike. If anyone suggest they are not correct for the period I will use ‘Sane Max Standard Response #13’

[Guy Farrish]

Sounds unpleasant – I’m not going to ask. You can use pike with any army you like.

[Not Connard Sage]

Pikey gits.

I hate painting pikemen almost as much as I hate painting ‘orses

 

 

Obvious contrarian and passive aggressive old prat, who is taken far too seriously by some and not seriously enough by others.

[Guy Farrish]

Pointy sticks are the way forward.

Thinking about it I don’t know why I haven’t got any Ancient pikes. I’ve got sword and cavalry types – Late Romans, Sassanids, Republican Romans, Romano Brits, Saxons, Huns, Goths  – not a real long pointy stick amongst them.

I must do something about this.

[Sane Max]

Sumerians? Very long spears and a cool ‘sheepskin and Bronze’ chic. Plus you can only really use them against Other Sumerians. Looks wonderful, must get dull rather quickly though.

‘Sane Max Standard Response #13’ – ‘You believe my Old Guard’s Trousers are inappropriate for the period of the game in question? Well your Purple Cord trousers appear more appropriate to the 1970’s, and your hair would look less out of place on a late 60’s Art Garfunkel, yet here you stand?’ or variations as suited to the interlocutor.

[Guy Farrish]

Didn’t know my web cam was on

You know – I was looking at Sumerians the other day and then I thought ‘The Sumerian Ass Chariot’, and though I’m British I just didn’t fancy the direction the whole thing was taking.

[Sane Max]

‘Ass Chariot’ has the makings of an excellent wargames based insult, I agree.

Are there any other pike or very-long spear True-ancient armies other than the Macedonians and their ilk? I am fond of them, but have far too many, and I really like the look of a formation of thus-equipped figures. You Ass-chariot.

[Guy Farrish]

 

Can’t think of any real pike users in the west apart from Macedonians and Successors – but there’s always China!

The Qin used 18ft long pikes – and you can argue for hours on various forums about how they used them and how many of them there were and whether they mixed them with crossbows, two handed swords, chariots etc. Arguing about it for hours would save you a fortune you would otherwise spend on buying an army, and you would avoid the time and effort of painting it.

 

[Sane Max]

I HAVE a Qin army..None of them have 18 foot pikes! I will be having stern words with the manufacturer I can assure you!

[Guy Farrish]

Well I think a lot of people actually think they were shorter than that, and probably spears – but for arguments sake:

Turks WITH pike and Qin WITHOUT! You might as well play fantasy! (I shall now run and hide).

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