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[Bandit]

Hello, tried e-mailing from the e-mail listed at the end of your Borodino OB and sent a PM here but didn’t get anything back. Had some OB questions about your Borodino listing as to what the various notations and acronyms mean.

Such as:

Courland Dragoon Regt. (1R):
Orenburg Dragoon Regt. (1CR):

Siberia Dragoon Regt. (1CL):
Irkutsk Dragoon Regt. (1L):

Mariupol Hussar Regt. (2L):
Sumy Hussar Regt. (2R):

Cheers,

The Bandit

[Jonathan Gingerich]

Sorry, don’t check email that often.

It’s the deployment, first line right, first line center right, etc.

JG

[Bandit]

When you list the militia attachments such as:

II Corps: Baggovut
Moscow Militia
(1st Jaeger)
1st battalion
4th battalion

Am I reading that correctly that it is a Moscow Milita unit + 2x battalions of the 1st Jäger Regiment?

Or is this supposed to indicate there was a Moscow Milita unit known as the 1st Jägers of which two battalions were allotted to the II Corps?

Related:

You generally have these militia units listed right after the corps HQ. How can one best understand their command chain status? An unassigned force that could be attached wherever per the corps commander’s desire? Something else?

Cheers,

The Bandit

[Bandit]

Based on indentation level in the outline format you use, it appears that Dokhtuorov’s Center Wing reports to Miloradovich’s Right Wing. I presume this is incorrect.

Am I correct in understanding that the army / wing / corps assignments hierarchy is as follows?:

Russian Army: Kutusov
• 1st Western Army: Barclay-de-Tolly
• • Right Wing: Miloradovich
• • • Right Wing Guard
• • • II Infantry Corps: Baggovut
• • • IV Infantry Corps: Ostermann-Tolstoy
• • • I Cavalry Corps: Uvarov
• • • II Cavalry Corps: Korf
• • • Cossacks: Platov
• • Center Wing: Dokhturov
• • • VI Infantry Corps: Dokhturov
• • • III Cavalry Corps: Vasilyev (?)
• • Reserve:
• • • V Guard Corps: Lavrov
• • • 1st Cuirassier Division: Borozdin-2
• • • 1st Artillery Brigade: Taube
• 2nd Western Army: Bagration
• • VII Infantry Corps: Rayevsky
• • VIII Infantry Corps: Borozdin-1
• • IV Cavalry Corps: Sievers
• • Left Wing Reserve:
• • • 2nd Grenadier Division: Mecklenburg-Schwerin
• • • 2nd Cuirassier Division: Knorring
• • Left Flank Guard: Karpov-2
• • Reserve:
• • • Right Flank Detachment: Shakhovskoy
• • • III Infantry Corps: Tuchkov-1

Thanks for the clarifications, I’ve been trying to work through Nafzinger and Rhien and they leave holes.

Cheers,

The Bandit

[Jonathan Gingerich]

It’s two battalions of the !st Jaeger Regt. of the Moscow Militia.  The Moscow Militia was 1st-3d Jaegers, 1st-8th Foot Cossacks, and the Horse Cossacks.  I should probably say so in the Notes.

The Militia appears to have been distributed to the Corps as assets and used for ambulance duty, MPs, etc.

You are correct about the hierarchy.  Looks like I need to fix an indentation problem.

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• This reply was modified 6 years, 3 months ago by Jonathan Gingerich.

[Bandit]

Jonathan Gingerich wrote:

The Militia appears to have been distributed to the Corps as assets and used for ambulance duty, MPs, etc.

Some of the english language accounts I’ve read talk about them being used as light troops and dispersed forward, especially on the left flank vs the V Corps d’armée. Have any opinion about that?

Cheers,

The Bandit

[Jonathan Gingerich]

Well, there were 16 battalions on the left flank, (10 of them with firearms), so, yeah, they were significant.  I don’t know that they were skirmishing.  IIRC some of the grenadier regts on the left were dispersed into the woods as skirmishers, which suggests the militia were not up to it.  You should check Mikaberidze if you have not yet.

[Bandit]

Got it on order, waiting for it to arrive. Thank you for the help thus far.

Cheers,

The Bandit

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