Panzergrenadier…

[Paul Howarth]

..or the game formerly known as Battlegroup Panzergrenadier. Has anyone played the 3rd edition yet? I picked up a copy of 1st edition just before 2nd edition came out. I managed a couple of 1st edition games, then went onto 2nd edition. We got a few more games in at the club and I spent a fair bit of time putting together some QRS that made sense, then I saw it being sold at Salute for a fiver, so assumed that another edition must have been in the pipeline. I’ve struggled to get people to play and at the moment I’m mainly playing Chain of Command and Black Powder, but would like to get the 20mm out at some point.

Has anyone tried 3rd edition and is it worth the £35 for the deluxe edition? I’m tempted to continue with 2nd edition, so it would have to be a pretty big improvement.

[NTM]

I’m still on 2nd edition. The game is at the level I’m most interested in playing so I ordered the cheap 1st edition to get a feel of it before forking out on Deluxe. Caliver sent out 2nd instead. Like what I see so far but want to try it a bit more. Will probably pick deluxe up at a show next year.

[deephorse]

Been playing Deluxe for a few months now and am about to use the rules in a big game in the next few days.  They make for an enjoyable game and keep me coming back for more.  There are bits that I’m not in total agreement with, but that’s the nature of wargaming isn’t it.  A bonus is that you can ask questions of the author and Mr. Brown will answer fairly promptly.  I never played v.1 or v.2 so cannot comment on whether or not one is “better” than the other, but I understand that Deluxe has more streamlined mechanisms and it is certainly true that things ‘motor on’ quite nicely once you are familiar with them.

To answer your question about them being worth the cost, well they were worth it for me.  For your money you get rules that cover the late war on all fronts, and it appears that no supplements will be necessary.  Contrast this with the ‘Battlegroup’ series where you need to buy a thin rule book and then fat supplements for Normandy or the Fall of the Reich, or Kursk etc.  so you pays your money and makes your choice.

Play is what makes life bearable - Michael Rosen

[teppsta]

Deluxe is definitely a different beast from the previous versions. It is much more based around the control of units and the mechanism used makes the various nationalities play differently. It’s clever – and worth a go.  The rulebook itself  is also produced to a much higher standard than previously.

[willz]

Found this Paul, don’t know if it helps.  It looks like an overview and comparison of Panzer grenadier 2 and the deluxe.

http://generaldebrigade.fr.yuku.com/topic/5776/PANZERGRENADIER-DELUXE-AAR#.VFdoXcJybmI

[deephorse]

Yesterday we spent 8 hours playing part of Operation Goodwood to Deluxe.  The game went very well and once players are familiar with the basic mechanisms it flows very quickly.  Working out small arms, artillery or anti-tank fire is the work of seconds with never a reference to the rulebook necessary.  The quick reference sheets are truly all you need.  Three of the five players had little or no experience of these rules beforehand and yet they grasped the concepts quickly and had a good time.  I cannot recommend them highly enough.

Play is what makes life bearable - Michael Rosen

[Paul Howarth]

Thanks very much for the information chaps. I’d looked on the General de Brigade site, but it had been down. I like the idea of streamlining things and not having to roll for everything , but I’ll hang fire until it comes down in price I think as I’ve just picked up 2nd Edition Rapid Fire after a couple of recent big games. I spent a fair amount of time working out some QRS and prompt sheets for 2nd edition BPG and have still got IABSM to try out. I do find that having one table to resolve hits and morale made it quite easy to work out what’s going on and that aspect of the game is very appealing. I’ll have a flip through at a show and see.

[DCRBrown]

PH,

 

You can pick up the softback Combat Edition for much less, (B/W, no photos, just the rules.)

DB

 

[Paul Howarth]

Thanks Dave, I’ll keep an eye out at a show. I did chat to you about themat Salute I think. I’ll definitely want to play them at some point.

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