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  • #51957
    Ivan Sorensen
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    magazines, clips, bulletbags, thingiemagiggers… the thing the bullets go in that sticks out a wee bit.

    The PPSH sub machine gun could use a drum or a stick. Anyone have an inkling which was more common and by how much?
    You can typically find both styles of figures, though the drums seem more popular (and they do look cooler and more distinctive, especially if you also have some Comrades with borrowed MP40s)

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    #51997
    Not Connard Sage
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    Just about every photo I’ve seen of them in use by WWII Soviets they’ve had a drum magazine. Box magazines, not so much.

    And Wiki sez.

    “As standard each PPSh-41 came with two factory fitted drum magazines that were matched to the weapon with marked serial numbers. If drum magazines were mixed and used with different serial numbered PPSh-41, a loose fitting could result in poor retention and failure to feed. Drum magazines were superseded by a simpler PPS-42 box-type magazine holding 35 rounds, although an improved drum magazine made from 1 mm thick steel was also introduced in 1944”

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    #52029
    Ivan Sorensen
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    It seems SMG magazine quality issues were pretty common.
    Sten gun users would apparently try to sort through the available magazines to get at the handful of good ones too.

    I wonder if a soldier in the field could adjust a drum to fit a new gun, or if they’d just try to get a different gun instead?

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    #52166
    Ivan Sorensen
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    Maybe its apocryphal or one of those things where someone did it and wrote it down, but he was the one guy 🙂

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    #52183
    MartinR
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    Perhaps the factories hit the PPsH drum mags with hammers and filed them to fit, rather than relying on the soldiers to do it themselves?

    It doesn’t sound insanely stupid if they couldn’t manage quality control any other way.

     

     

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    #52283
    John D Salt
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    Tim wrote:

    Hmmm, I don’t think we had that problem with the Sterlings our crews carried.

    AIUI the Sterling uses a double-feed magazine, which eliminates a weakness of the Sten (and indeed MP-38/-40) single-feed mag. In a double-feed mag, the gun can load a round from either of two positions at the top of the mag. In a single-feed mag, the magazine lips force bullets from the two columns in the mag into a single central feed position, from which the gun loads them. Damage to the magazine lips can result in the round being slightly out of position, resulting in a misfeed. I believe that this kind of stoppage was the one that most affected Stens and MP-38s/-40s.

    This is also why you might be able to get a Sten mag to fire in a Sterling (though I’ve never seen it tried), but not the other way round.

    SMGs are in general rather silly weapons, but for simple practicality I think the Sterling or the PPS-43 would be my favourites.

    All the best,

    John.

    #52284
    Ivan Sorensen
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    Interesting. I believe the PPS magazines also went to a double-stack system though I could be wrong.

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