10/05/2022 at 16:18 #172730Aidan GeisParticipant
My apologies if this has been addressed elsewhere, but I have just started with Force on Force and am using 28mm miniatures from Empress. I had originally planned on doubling all measurements as the book says they are best suited for 15-20mm and that the average table size is 2ft x 2ft. After buying two of the supplements (Afghanistan and cold war gone hot) I have found that pretty much every scenario is at least 4×4 if not larger, meaning I would need a table (and enough terrain for) that is at least 8×8. Do most people then just play using the “standard” measurements or are there more scenarios out there somewhere that are closer to 2×2 or 2×3 that will make doubling the measurements feasible?
Thanks!10/05/2022 at 17:37 #172735Bob FrapplesParticipant
Here is a good web page talking about miniature scale: http://theminiaturespage.com/ref/scales.html
For me, I use “20mm” figures. These appear to be 20mm to eye level for the figure. So by the time I base them they have an overall height of about 28mm. I then built my terrain based on the how tall my figures actually were. The group I game with has a large table so for Force On Force map size isn’t a huge issue. Just remember that the rules state that everything on the map is more representational than spatially accurate. So really you can build the terrain to whatever size your play area can accommodate and use the figures that work for you.
Here is a picture of some of the terrain I build for my “Escape From Kalisz” scenario for my FoF Twilight 2000 campaign.10/05/2022 at 18:15 #172736Geoff BarrallParticipant
We play using 28mm minis and use the standard (15mm/20mm) measurements from the book and the 4×4 table layout. Still have an enormous amount of fun.12/05/2022 at 08:29 #172818willzParticipant
Most if not all wargame rules can be gamed with any scale / size of figures / equipment, so if you have a small or large table use the rules as written. They will work just as well, its all about the enjoyment you will achieve by pushing you stuff across the table.14/05/2022 at 19:12 #172928PapasanParticipant
I’ve dabbled with these rules for years, playing with 20mm figures. I’ve always thought the 2×2′ table was really for the 15mm or smaller scales so scaled my tables up a fraction. I have some carpet tiles for the standard games that measure 20″ square so use a 40×40″ table much of the time but have played on 6×4’s too. I settled with upping the optimum ranges 50%, amongst other things, but kept the movement the same. I think with 28mm you could do the same on a 4×4 table but might want to increase the movement to speed thongs along.
I know what you mean about some of the maps in the books and sometimes have had to scale them back. They still play well usually.
Here’s some of my most recent games – A Variation on Sweep & Clear from AA on the carpet tiles:
A Variation on Bakers Corner from Ed1 FoF on a 6×4:
Good luck with your games – let us know how you get on.
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