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  • #156320
    Abwehrschlacht
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    Brand new video for Friday: Reflections on #Kreigsspiel Recently I played in a Kreigsspiel for the first time and this video is some of my thoughts along with a description of the game itself. Confusion reigned, fun was had!

    Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNUYwNznn-ZuNMoHoF3urwQ

    Blog: http://www.stormofsteelwargaming.com

    #156333
    Guy Farrish
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    Congratulations on your first Kriegsspiel.

    I think it is a superb adjunct to any wargamer’s arsenal. It gives a very different perspective to the experience and although it misses the pretty toy soldier element (Which I like) it has a fascination all its own.

    It makes the military historian in you appreciate why there were those seemingly bizarre missed opportunities and glaring gaffes. When you are in the moment and haven’t got that helicopter vision or 20:20 hindsight it doesn’t seem that obvious that you could win the whole war by a simple oblique advance!

    I hope you have another go soon.

    Also worth remembering , no news is not necessarily bad news. Stick to the plan (but maybe skip the Bucks Fizz and three course breakfast before beginning the advance next time!).

    Great report, thanks for posting.

    #156336
    Abwehrschlacht
    Participant

    Cheers, I am glad you enjoyed the video. I am surprised that it took me this long to play a KS, I guess it was just no chance previously. It really gives you a completely different view on tabletop gaming and an appreciation of the smaller actions that are part of military operations. Looking forward to my next one!

    Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNUYwNznn-ZuNMoHoF3urwQ

    Blog: http://www.stormofsteelwargaming.com

    #156393
    Guy Farrish
    Participant

    You say this was run on Discord – did your sit reps and updates come through from the umpires as written notes and you transferred those to a copy of your map? Or did you get occasional umpire updated maps?

    I have played free kriegsspiel by email, but more strategic games that took some weeks with the sending of orders and resolution of combat and updating of players.

    Ive wondered about running a faster game via email over an afternoon or evening but maintaining player involvement, while they are essentially sat alone waiting for something to happen without umpires popping in an out as they do in a live contact game, seemed as it it could be a problem.

    I take it this was not a problem with this methodology?

    #156398
    hammurabi70
    Participant

    You might want to drop in on the Kriegsspiel Forum:

    https://kriegsspiel.forumotion.net

     

    #156401
    Abwehrschlacht
    Participant

    Yep, this was done through Discord, the Virtual Lard discord to be exact. Basically, we were given two days of planning prior to the game, then it began at 1300 on the Sunday, we were given the general sitrep at that time and then sent out orders on our own individual channels, except I was in Alt-Goldberg with one other player so we were able to communicate easily. The other commander was racing off south and the last I heard from him was a message at 0740. The umpires did all the moving on the maps and discussing the details whilst we waited for them to drop a message into our channels and then react to them. The game was wrapped by 1830, just to give everyone chance for food and stuff. We could update our maps, but I never bothered. The ones in the video were the ones used by the umpires who shared them with us at the debrief that we had after the game.

    I think the only problem was sitting around waiting for a message form the umpire, but as I was in the position of not doing a great deal, not much was coming my way. However, I could have made better use of my time, so I only have myself to blame. But yeah, I could have set the discord to give me a notification when a new message came in rather than sit waiting for it. Which is what I would do next time.

    Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNUYwNznn-ZuNMoHoF3urwQ

    Blog: http://www.stormofsteelwargaming.com

    #156402
    Guy Farrish
    Participant

    [EDIT: This was being written in answer to Hammurabi while Abwehrschlacht was writing – sorry for the crossed posts!]

    Thanks, I can recommend the Kriegsspiel Forum for general info, access to the Little Gaddesdon* games when Covid isn’t about and a very informed, if somewhat low key discussion on Kriegsspiel. The group seems to have moved to a large extent to computer KS using the Scourge of War engine which I haven’t used in a multi player mode but found okay in AI use if a little irritating at times.

    I really enjoy the umpire moderated free KS games  via email, using more or less the classic method but at a higher command level than most KS outpost games traditionally played face to face. The real time for these has been roughly 1 turn (occasionally 2) per week spread over a few months. This allows more time for the umpire to resolve situations a the grander level.

    I wondered if the engagement gap (waiting for feedback) which can affect KS in a ‘face to face’ mode, affected the method used here, and if Discord allowed the equivalent of  liaison umpires popping in to suck their teeth at your map showing where you think your own forces are, and explain that perhaps you missed the 1500hrs update when you moved your HQ forward three miles? etc.

    I have been thinking about running a Togoland campaign in 1914 via some sort of online method, and at the moment am thinking about an old fashioned email approach,  but I am open to more modern methods if they won’t stress me or players patience too much!

     

     

    *I said Hemel Hempstead  initially – problem with letting memory type rather than checking! That was where Bill Leeson used to hold games ages ago.

     

     

    #156403
    Guy Farrish
    Participant

    Thank for the reply Abwehrschlacht. Very helpful.

    #156438
    Guy Farrish
    Participant

    While correcting my blunder (above) it occurred to me that the UK Kriegsspiel group had another site as well as the forum Hammurabi7 mentioned – its current iteration is here: Kriegsspiel blog

    Some useful info – it replaces another forum that had more game reports but which was spammed into oblivion –  a shame as it had some fond memories of games I had played there – the Vulgarian wars were a favourite.

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