Rules for the 45? Recommendations?

[Oh no….]

Good morning chaps,

I’m thinking of starting the Jacobite 1745 rebellion in 10mm or maybe 6mm. Third attempt over many years to do this, one reason I could not find rules I liked. Figure scale would probably be 1:15 or 1:20.

Do you have any recommendations on relatively simple, fast plan and fun rules please?

Thanks for your help.

[willz]

As you are doing it in a small figure scale therefore I assume large regiments 40 + figures, why not try “Charge” or the “Wargame”.  With a few minor adjustments for a smaller scale you have simple, fast and fun sets of rules.  I have not played “Maurice” but I have seen reports saying they are fun, fast and may be used for smaller scales.

[Not Connard Sage]

I’d be interested too.

I’ve got a load of Front Rank figures I bought ages ago to refight Culloden using WRG 1685-1845 rules, then I decided that they (the rules) weren’t really up to the job of handling the mad Scots…

 

I suppose you could use Barker’s Horse, Foot & Guns, but they’re a bit of a mess now that he’s listened to all the ‘advice’ from his fans.

 

They’re free at his website here http://phil-barker.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/index.html

Obvious contrarian and passive aggressive old prat, who is taken far too seriously by some and not seriously enough by others.

[Frog]

I’ve heard of Volley and Bayonet being used, though I am unfamiliar with those rules.

 

I’ve used Flint and Steel.

 

A recently published book by Martin Hackett: Raise the Clans: The Wargamer’s Guide To Jacobite Britain contains a set of rules specifically for (as you may have guessed) gaming the Jacobite Rebellions. I’ve read, though not played them yet but they seem fairly simple and straightforward.

Bunch of monkeys on your ceiling, sir!

[Oh no….]

Thanks chaps for your assistance.

I’ll see about getting a copy of Raise The Clans and see what they’re like. I did have a copy of the relevant WRG set but can’t remember if I’ve still got them. The other option is adapt a set or write some of my own….

[Not Connard Sage]

Frog wrote:

A recently published book by Martin Hackett: Raise the Clans: The Wargamer’s Guide To Jacobite Britain contains a set of rules specifically for (as you may have guessed) gaming the Jacobite Rebellions. I’ve read, though not played them yet but they seem fairly simple and straightforward.

 

Ooh ta for that. Heading to Amazon…

Obvious contrarian and passive aggressive old prat, who is taken far too seriously by some and not seriously enough by others.

[Frog]

One of the nice things about the book is it has basic maps for all of the battles. Maybe not the best (I’ve got better maps of Culloden, for example, in other books) but it’s helpful to have maps of both Killiecrankie and Clifton Moor (to give two examples) in the same book.

 

The bad part is that I had intended to do only The ’45, but now I’m also seriously tempted to do The ’15, and etc., etc.

 

Oh, and there’s a few nice pictures of Essex 15 mm Jacobites and my beloved Front Rank 28 mm ones.

Bunch of monkeys on your ceiling, sir!

[Piyan Glupak]

Not Connard Sage wrote:

[snip]I suppose you could use Barker’s Horse, Foot & Guns, but they’re a bit of a mess now that he’s listened to all the ‘advice’ from his fans. They’re free at his website here http://phil-barker.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/index.html

Thanks for the link.  Had lost it, after a bit of a computer disaster last year.

Just had a quick gander at the rules.  At 37 pages (without the army lists) I get the impression that it is closer to DBM or DBR than my preferred, simpler rules.

EDIT, possibly of interest to the original poster: I might have a quick look at the Humberside Extensions:

http://ermtony.pbworks.com/w/page/14871384/DBA%20and%20HOTT

(They are a little way down the page.)

[Steve Burt]

The thing about Horse Foot & Guns is they cover a huge period.

If you remove all the rules not relevant to the period you are interested in, the rules suddenly become  a lot simpler. I know someone produced ‘period specific’ version of the rules for his own use like this; certainly makes the rules more playable (and more like DBA)

[Graham Cummings]

What a pity you’re not tempted by my Crann Tara 28mm range!! However Im just reading through  the Raise the Clans and the look quite promising, then there’s always Black Powder which can be suitably tweaked.

Graham

[Meic Kelly]

I was intending on using Black Powder, but would be interested in hearing thoughts on Raise the Clans.

Command Base http://meicwargames.blogspot.co.uk/

[Oh no….]

Graham,

I am tempted by your figures but apart from anything else would never get two armies painted! They are terrific figures and would be my first choice in 28mm.

Regards,

Dave

[Graham Cummings]

Dave,

don’t worry. Of course if I were to sow the seeds of temptation then start small. I’ve been using Donnybrook to fight skirmishes with the figures. Desperately waiting for my Dragoons to be cast.

Whatever you decide keep us informed re the rules you try and end up using.

Graham

[Frog]

Graham Cummings wrote:

What a pity you’re not tempted by my Crann Tara 28mm range!! However Im just reading through the Raise the Clans and the look quite promising, then there’s always Black Powder which can be suitably tweaked. Graham

 

Just ordered my first Crann Tara figures (via Loyalhanna) about 45 minutes ago.

Bunch of monkeys on your ceiling, sir!

[Graham Cummings]

Frog wrote:

Just ordered my first Crann Tara figures (via Loyalhanna) about 45 minutes ago.

 

Thank you Sir,

Keith will be pleased 🙂

Any questions etc. don’t hesitate to contact me.

Graham

[willz]

Frog “wrote” Just ordered my first Crann Tara figures (via Loyalhanna) about 45 minutes ago.

Well done Frog they are beautiful figures and a joy to paint, hopefully I will have finished a French infantry regiment of Crann Tara miniatures in the next few days.

[Frog]

Graham Cummings wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Frog wrote:</div>
Just ordered my first Crann Tara figures (via Loyalhanna) about 45 minutes ago.

Thank you Sir, Keith will be pleased Any questions etc. don’t hesitate to contact me. Graham

Actually, Graham, you’ve already been helpful – quick response to my email question yesterday. Cheers!

 

Now that the Royal Ecossais are ordered, I’ve got most of the figures I need for multiple figures per base “big” battles. Still need a bunch to base singly for skirmish games though, and I’ve a feeling these will all end up being Crann Tara.

Bunch of monkeys on your ceiling, sir!

[Guy Barlow]

I finished reading my copy of Raising the Clans last night. I thought it was well worth the read and I quite liked the authors writing style with lots of personal opinions and comments and he clearly has bags of enthusiasm for the subject. It is not just a rehash book. The only slight quibble is that there are a number of typo errors in the book which really should have been picked up by the editor and surprisingly in the bibliography he does not mention the books by Duffy eg the ’45.

The rules seemed fairly straight forward and I did like the emphasis he placed on the weather as this seemed to be a crucial factor. On figures Crann Tara all the way. Strangely the range is not mentioned in the book.

Regards,

Guy

[willz]

For Frog.  Royal Ecossais Crann Tara Miniatures

[Not Connard Sage]

Guy Barlow wrote:

I finished reading my copy of Raising the Clans last night. I thought it was well worth the read and I quite liked the authors writing style with lots of personal opinions and comments and he clearly has bags of enthusiasm for the subject. It is not just a rehash book. The only slight quibble is that there are a number of typo errors in the book which really should have been picked up by the editor and surprisingly in the bibliography he does not mention the books by Duffy eg the ’45. The rules seemed fairly straight forward and I did like the emphasis he placed on the weather as this seemed to be a crucial factor. On figures Crann Tara all the way. Strangely the range is not mentioned in the book. Regards, Guy

 

My copy arrived today. Haven’t had chance to take a look at it yet.

 

Duffy’s ’45 is essential reading for anyone with an interest in the last Rebellion.

Obvious contrarian and passive aggressive old prat, who is taken far too seriously by some and not seriously enough by others.

[Frog]

willz wrote:

For Frog. Royal Ecossais Crann Tara Miniatures

Very nice!!!

 

Mine should arrive Friday, I’m hoping to be able to start painting them early next week.

Bunch of monkeys on your ceiling, sir!

[Frog]

Not Connard Sage wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Guy Barlow wrote:</div>
I finished reading my copy of Raising the Clans last night. I thought it was well worth the read and I quite liked the authors writing style with lots of personal opinions and comments and he clearly has bags of enthusiasm for the subject. It is not just a rehash book. The only slight quibble is that there are a number of typo errors in the book which really should have been picked up by the editor and surprisingly in the bibliography he does not mention the books by Duffy eg the ’45. The rules seemed fairly straight forward and I did like the emphasis he placed on the weather as this seemed to be a crucial factor. On figures Crann Tara all the way. Strangely the range is not mentioned in the book. Regards, Guy

My copy arrived today. Haven’t had chance to take a look at it yet. Duffy’s ’45 is essential reading for anyone with an interest in the last Rebellion.

 

Yup, gotta start with Duffy. After that I’d recommend Stuart Reid’s 1745: A Military History, though I do find Reid’s bias a bit, um, off-putting (yeah, off-putting, that’s a polite way to say it).

Bunch of monkeys on your ceiling, sir!

[Not Connard Sage]

Well I had a quick scan of Raise the Clans last night. The rules seem to borrow heavily from George Gush’s old WRG set.

While there’s nothing wrong with GG’s rules (probably one of the best ‘renaissance’ sets IMO), I expected something new. Disappointing.

 

Obvious contrarian and passive aggressive old prat, who is taken far too seriously by some and not seriously enough by others.

[Goliad]

As an out of left field idea, I am considering buying “Victorian Steel” Colonial rules to see if they would work for the ’45. Reading some of the descriptions and AARs of regulars taking on armies of mixed composition, using some interesting mechanisms have piqued my interest.

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