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  • #87978
    Ivan Sorensen
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    Probably a completely pointless debate but what do you call your hobby?

    I usually say “War gaming” but then, plenty of scenarios and games don’t involve “war” at all (say if you game a shoot out between space cops and pirates).

    “Miniatures gaming” is more accurate I suppose 🙂

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    #87979
    General Slade
    Participant

    I generally refer to it as playing with toy soldiers.

    #87981
    kyoteblue
    Participant

    I start with Historical Miniature War Gaming but end up adding I play with toy soldiers when I get a blank stare.

    #87983
    Guy Farrish
    Participant

    Wargaming.

    #87984
    Mike
    Keymaster

    “Wargaming. Have you seen Games Workshop in the mall? Similar to that.”

    #87986

    Wargaming.  One word.  Not two.  Small distinction, I know but since you deemed this debate pointless anyway, I thought I’d throw that in.  😉

    John

    "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power."

    --Abraham Lincoln

    #87987
    Ivan Sorensen
    Participant

    Hah, I speaks guut.

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    #87989
    OldBen1
    Participant

    I call it all sorts of things: Modelling, gaming, Wargames, crafting, basement lurking, board games, and miniatures.  I try and keep my geekiness to a minimum in public.  The term board games has become surprisingly acceptable.  If I told people half the things I actually do in terms of wargaming, (like the exhaustive research, the styrofoam glueing, and the bits hoarding) they probably would think I’m a little crazy.  At least it’s creative, and it keeps me from blowing my money on fast women and expensive scotch.

    #87990
    Ivan Sorensen
    Participant

    Better than the reverse though (Expensive women and fast scotch) 🙂

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    #87993
    MartinR
    Participant

    Wargaming.

    Which I play with toy soldiers. I might sometimes call them figures, but never miniatures.

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    #87995
    irishserb
    Participant

    “Miniatures gaming”. If I’m talking to someone from outside the hobby, I will qualify that it involves using toy soldiers or figures and a set of rules with dice.

    I’ve never been very fond of the term “wargaming” as it seems exclusive of much of my hobby.

    #88001
    Shaun Travers
    Participant

    Depending on the audience I say “wargaming” if I think they have been exposed to any sort of gaming, or otherwise “playing with toy soldiers”. I also sometimes follow up to say it is like Warhammer but with Ancient or WW2 figures (as they are the two periods I mainly play).

    #88011
    Phil Dutré
    Participant

    Depending on the audience, but mostly “playing with toy soldiers”. I have found that usually stirs up some interest for a few minutes. When you say “wargaming”, most people don’t have a clue what that means.

    • This reply was modified 2 years, 9 months ago by Phil Dutré.

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    #88048

    For the record, I also qualify what I am doing at the time by saying “Board Wargaming” or “Miniature/Tabletop Wargaming.”

    John

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    #88058
    Darkest Star Games
    Participant

    Amongst my friends it’s “gaming” (though distinguished from RPGs which is “roleplay” or just RP).

    With the uninitiated it’s “tabletop wargaming”.

    With those really out of the loop and not really interested it’s “stuff with miniatures and models”.

    "I saw this in a cartoon once, but I'm pretty sure I can do it..."

    #88074
    Patrice
    Participant

    When talking with English-speaking people I most often say “miniature wargaming” because it’s what I’m used to (…but perhaps it’s a bit old-fashioned now?)

    I’ve always avoided to say “toy soldiers” because the French equivalent is quite derogatory (sounds like playing with Playmobils); but if you tell me it’s OK in English, then why not.

    In French, “jeu de figurines” is the most easily understood (for people who have not much heard about it).

    This PDF document has been printed by our regional gaming association in A4 size and included in its explanation books, and in A3 plastic poster size that we display near our gaming tables when possible. A larger (board size) poster is planned.

    http://www.argad-bzh.fr/argad/pdfs/presentation_fig-1-1.pdf

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    #88076
    Guy Farrish
    Participant

    No – ‘playing toy soldiers’ is the same in English as in French – a derogatory term for childish behaviour. Many wargamers, me included, use it on occasion to undercut any implication that we take ourselves too seriously by using it first – a bit like some other groups take ownership of an insult by using it themselves.

     

    And in the English (as opposed to American) speaking world, I am pretty sure ‘wargaming’ is a lot older than ‘miniature wargaming’.

    #88080
    Autodidact-O-Saurus
    Participant

    I call my hobby ‘historical gaming’ and if further explaination is necessary ‘with toy soldiers’. Yeah, it’s kind of snobbish but so am I. But it’s accurate. I don’t do fantasy or sci-fi. Strictly historical.

    Self taught, persistently behind the times, never up to date. AKA ~ jeff
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    #88094
    Phil Dutré
    Participant

    No – ‘playing toy soldiers’ is the same in English as in French – a derogatory term for childish behaviour.

    Perhaps.

    But then, I have found it creates much more interest and curiosity than trying to pass off your hobby as an intellectual pursuit while in essence it is playing with toy soldiers to most people.

    Party conversation:
    “What’s your hobby?”
    “I collect and play with toy soldiers.”
    “Really? How does that work?”
    “Well, you know those plastic soldiers you used as a kid?”
    “Yeah, I loved those!”
    “Me too! Now, what we really do these days  … ”
    It worked for me every time to talk about wargaming for 10 minutes or so, after which you switch to a different topic 😉

    On the other hand, the following conversation almost never works:
    “What’s your hobby?”
    “Wargaming”
    “What’s that?”
    “It originated in the 19th century as an officer’s training tool. These days, we study history, and turn it into statistical models, which we use to fight battles with miniature figures … ”
    “Miniature figures? Like toy soldiers?”
    “No, you don’t understand. Let me explain … ”
    “I need another drink”

     

    🙂

    • This reply was modified 2 years, 9 months ago by Phil Dutré.

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    #88158
    Guy Farrish
    Participant

    Wasn’t trying to ‘pass it off’ as anything – I was explaining to Patrice that the social impact of the phrase ‘playing with toy soldiers’ is precisely the same in England as he said it was in France:

    I’ve always avoided to say “toy soldiers” because the French equivalent is quite derogatory (sounds like playing with Playmobils)’

    If you say someone is playing ‘toy soldiers’ in Britain it means a childish pursuit. Many of us have no problem with this, (although not all of it is done with toy soldiers ) but I can point you towards many who do object quite strongly at the implied criticism.

    I rarely mention wargames at parties.

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    #88160
    Ivan Sorensen
    Participant

    I always figured “toy soldiers” was subtly self-denigrating. Certainly that’s how I use it: A realization that it’s all a tiny bit silly.

    Plus, it wards away the “button counters”

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    #88168
    Guy Farrish
    Participant

    yep

    Many wargamers, me included, use it on occasion to undercut any implication that we take ourselves too seriously by using it first

    #88221
    willz
    Participant

    When asked what is my hobby “The tactical simulation of real life or fictional military events using simulated fine detailed miniatures and terrain, to represent actual combat situations” or Wargaming.

    • This reply was modified 2 years, 9 months ago by willz.
    #88228
    Paul
    Participant

    Wargaming. When going to the club I tell my wife I am “going to the nerds.”

    Those are brave men knocking at our door. Let's go kill them!

    #88229
    McKinstry
    Participant

    Gaming. Since my gaming varies between miniature wargaming at my FLGS to Carcassonne or Small World with friends and family or even Civilization VI on the PC, I keep it simple and broad.

    Never wrestle with a pig. You both get muddy and the pig just likes it.

    #88302
    Patrice
    Participant

    Thanks for the language/cultural explanations.

    I realize that, when talking to English-speaking people, I’ve always assumed (perhaps wrongly) that the term “wargame” is always understood. In fact it’s the case with most British people I meet, who either are wargamers, or re-enactors, or many of my neighbours here in centre Brittany – none of them are wargamers but many are military retirees so at least they have heard of it.

    For native French-speaking people “jeu de figurines” is better understood. Wargame can be translated by “jeu de guerre” but most people would run away when hearing this, it sounds even worse than “jouer aux petits soldats”.

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    #88303
    Ivan Sorensen
    Participant

    In Danish, “Figurspil” (miniatures gaming) is probably the closest to an official term, but I don’t think I remember anyone ever calling it that.

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    #88312
    Patrice
    Participant

    In Danish, “Figurspil” (miniatures gaming) is probably the closest to an official term, but I don’t think I remember anyone ever calling it that.

    So how do you call it, and advertise it, in Danish, for the overall public?

    …It’s always interesting to see (or hear) the differences. 

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    #88319
    Ivan Sorensen
    Participant

    I always heard “Krigs spil” (war games, ala the German) but in the groups I hung out with, we often used the English term “war game” as well.

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    #89727
    Andreas Johansson
    Participant

    In Swedish, I usually say figurspel, lit. “figure games”. In English I usually say “miniatures wargaming” or some shortened variant like “minis games”.

     

    ETA: Krigsspel “wargame(s)” usually means something played with cardboard counters on a map in Swedish; using it of miniatures games would strike me as odd.

    #89736
    Thaddeus Blanchette
    Participant

    Frankly, I get more more mortified when people say “Oh! You mean like Games Workshop!” than when they say “Oh! You mean toy soldiers!”

    We get slapped around, but we have a good time!

    #89737
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    Member

    Frankly, I get more more mortified when people say “Oh! You mean like Games Workshop!” than when they say “Oh! You mean toy soldiers!”

    At the yearly Demo game at the Train and Hobby show, most of the punters have never heard of historical wargaming &point and ask, “What’s that?”

    If you start with Games Workshop, which has a presence in shopping centres & is at least in their frame of reference, you can then explain it’s the same but using history rather than with fantasy or sci-fi as its background. And I know you were being funny , Thaddeus, & it was comical, but the truth is we historical gamers are just a side shoot of GW.

    Maybe we historical gamers should call our hobby something like “Not quite GW”?

     

    donald

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    #89750
    Tony Hughes
    Participant

    No Ochin, GW is a side-shoot of historical wargaming.

    The fact that more people play with GW figures and rules is irrelevant, historical wargaming came first.

     

     

     

    #89846
    Ivan Sorensen
    Participant

    I suppose we’re all offshoots of Prussian staff exercises 😀

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    #89877
    Thaddeus Blanchette
    Participant

    Frankly, I get more more mortified when people say “Oh! You mean like Games Workshop!” than when they say “Oh! You mean toy soldiers!”

    At the yearly Demo game at the Train and Hobby show, most of the punters have never heard of historical wargaming &point and ask, “What’s that?” If you start with Games Workshop, which has a presence in shopping centres & is at least in their frame of reference, you can then explain it’s the same but using history rather than with fantasy or sci-fi as its background. And I know you were being funny , Thaddeus, & it was comical, but the truth is we historical gamers are just a side shoot of GW. Maybe we historical gamers should call our hobby something like “Not quite GW”? donald

     

    That’s like a traditional burger stand billing itself as “not quite McDonalds”.

    I am mortified that I will soon be playing Epic again, but — crucially — not with GW figures.

    We get slapped around, but we have a good time!

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    Wargaming

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