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  • #3518
    Thomas NissvikThomas Nissvik
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    So, my first post on this new forum.

    I recently heard Neil and Mike on the M&M (http://meeples.wordpress.com/2014/07/11/sword-spear-the-holy-grail-of-ancients-rules/)  podcast talk about Sword & Spear (http://polkovnik.moonfruit.com/sword-spear/4583102656) and my immediate question is this:will it work for Middle Earth?

    I have the old GW BoFA box and want a good set of rules to use the minis in Middle Earth. So, let’s hear it. Would they work at all? How difficult would it be to adapt them and what would be needed? Magic? As I understand, S&S are rather high level rules where ME magic and legendary heroes would have a rather small impact? Is it difficult to create army lists for wargs and such or can you just look at existing lists and extrapolate a bit?

     

    Cheers/Thomas

     

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    #3873
    Michael HobbsMichael Hobbs
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    Hi Thomas

    I think it’ll work very well for BoFA and with minimal amount of work

    S&S gives you a great foundation for pre-gunpowder battles with a really innovative command and control mechanism which is open enough to allow for different types of units to be created.

    Each unit in the game is an element so basing is not a worry as long as both sides use the same frontage, each unit has a type, some stats and possibly some characteristics and this is where you can start to make changes to the core rules.

    By adding new characteristics you can create new types of units, for example you could model Wargs as (for example) light cavalry and give them a new characteristic called ‘Fierce’ that affects enemy units morale or something like that, there are already a whole bunch of characteristics in the rules that could be used all you have to do is work out where the gaps are and write some new ones

    Characters could use the rules for Commanders (that is part of the rules already) so that’s a simple fit as well

    The only problem is magic, but luckily Tolkien made magic use fairly passive, so maybe you use characteristics to model this and give certain Characters a magic characteristic which allows them to do some actions during the game, you could even use cards that players can use when a character or a unit a character is attached to is activated

    In short I think using S&S for fantasy battles is very do-able the only work you would have to do is look at the characteristics in the book and write some new ones for specific units

    Oh and then try and balance them all so none are too powerful, that’s the tricky bit 😉

    All the best

    Mike

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    #5772
    Mark Lewis
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    Hi Thomas

    As Mike says above, yes they would work with very little adaption required – how much is up to you really. I would quite happily play them as they are for Middle Earth battles.

    I am going to start work on a fantasy version of Sword & Spear soon. I will post more details on here when I start looking for playtesters. I’ll hopefully play a fantasy game (probably orcs & goblins vs medieval humans) with the rules as they are in a couple of weeks and post an AAR, to start getting the interest going for the fantasy version.

    Mark

     

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    Thomas NissvikThomas Nissvik
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    Mark, that sounds excellent! Having a system to play would give me a much needed boost in the painting department.

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    #6147
    fairoaks024fairoaks024
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    @mark

    i bought your rules recently and love them. I was also thinking they would work well for a “realistic” fantasy game ( I realise that that is an oxy-moron)

    really looking forward to your fantasy adaptation

     

    regards

     

    jim

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    #6321
    Thomas NissvikThomas Nissvik
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    Jim, not an oxymoron to me. “Realistic” would to me be “consistent with the setting”. For Middle Earth that would mean magic, but very low key magic.

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    #6325
    fairoaks024fairoaks024
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    Thomas, that sums it up perfectly!

    To me sword and spear definitely had the ‘feel’ of a set

    of rules that would suit middle earths  low-level magic and

    ‘ grittiness’

     

    regards

     

    jim

    #6326
    Thomas NissvikThomas Nissvik
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    Sounds very promising indeed. Now, if I could only find the time to read the rules or paint some minis for them, I’d buy them right away. Failing that, they go on the Christmas List.

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    #6332
    Michael HobbsMichael Hobbs
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    Sounds very promising indeed. Now, if I could only find the time to read the rules or paint some minis for them, I’d buy them right away. Failing that, they go on the Christmas List.

    now come on Thomas, when does lack of time stop us from starting a whole new period or game 😉

    all the best

     

    Mike

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    #6334
    Thomas NissvikThomas Nissvik
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    Quite right, Mike. Time is not something you have, it is something you make. Or take.

     

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    #8978
    warren coleman
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    Hi Thomas As Mike says above, yes they would work with very little adaption required – how much is up to you really. I would quite happily play them as they are for Middle Earth battles. I am going to start work on a fantasy version of Sword & Spear soon. I will post more details on here when I start looking for playtesters. I’ll hopefully play a fantasy game (probably orcs & goblins vs medieval humans) with the rules as they are in a couple of weeks and post an AAR, to start getting the interest going for the fantasy version. Mark

     

    hi Mark,

    Thats good to hear, I have just bought your rules after seeing a game fought out at Plymouth Association of Wargamers.  Quite a few of the guys at the club have bought the rules as well

    i am a very keen 15mm fantasy mass battle player and would love to see your fantasy version!

    good luck and look forward to seeing the results!

    Bunny

     

     

     

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