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    Jonathan Gingerich
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    So I’ve turned my attention to Russian cavalry standards. Few in number, and hand embroidered, they appear to be more varied and difficult to pin down than the infantry flags. In the 1797 models, the eagle holds a rod with transverse black bands which I take to be a classical thunderbolt in its right claw. But in the left are a couple of objects that look like, well, limp stalks of rather frazzled asparagus. They are describes as “perun”s in one source. Perun was a chief god of the Southern Slavs, like Zeus or Jove. He was god of thunder and lightning. And (man the internet is amazing!!!) he was armed with Perun’s stones. Which are identified as fulgurites or belemnites. Fulgurites are sticks of fused earth and sand caused by a lightening strike. And indeed, they look like what the eagle is carrying. But if they are belemnites, then they are the fossilized remains of an ancient squid:-)

    JG

    #146599
    Patrice
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    Excellent find… It would be interesting to know more…

    …Next thing we’ll discover, they’ll have a sacred icon of Cthulhu on another flag…?

    http://www.argad-bzh.fr/argad/en.html
    https://www.anargader.net/

    #146638
    Jonathan Gingerich
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    Yeah! I missed that!
    “Cthulhu on Russian standards!” – much better click-bait!
    BTW the best preserved 1797 standard appears to be at the Musée Condé so you should have a chance to see it.

    #146640
    Jonathan Gingerich
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    Ah Patrice, perhaps you could do me a favor. Can you find anything definitive on “ventre-de-biche” or “chamois-Condé”?
    JG

    #146676
    Patrice
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    Ah Patrice, perhaps you could do me a favor. Can you find anything definitive on “ventre-de-biche” or “chamois-Condé”? JG

    Um I won’t find more than what’s on internet…  Dictionaries say that ventre-de-biche is a greyish-reddish light brown (or the contrary…)

    Looking at pictures of female deer (biche), many seem to have a quite large stripe of such colour on each side of their belly, this sight would have been very familiar to noblemen used to hunting. Wild chamois may have such a colour but often darker. The colour of  goats of Alpine breed is often called “chamoisé” too.

    http://www.argad-bzh.fr/argad/en.html
    https://www.anargader.net/

    #146696
    Jonathan Gingerich
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    Yeah I’ve seen that – seems to be either a pinkish gray or a dull golden brown. I think the latter is what I’m looking for, but it seems very variable.

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