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  • #32951
    Lagartija Mike
    Spectator

    I’m considering getting into the period but need to know which manufacturers match in scale. Probably starting with Ebor, will Front Rank figures be a match? Also, how long into the 18th century will these uniforms be appropriate before evolving into the SYW style.

    #32953
    Not Connard Sage
    Participant

    Front Rank have got all you need, are relatively inexpensive, can be bought as individual figures, and are a joy to paint.

    Why look anywhere else? Your choice of course 😉

    Uniforms started getting more…detailed from the end of the WSS – turnbacks, lace, collars/lapels. One of the reasons I ran with the WSS was the simple uniforms. Made a refreshing change after decades of painting Napoleonics

     

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    #32962
    Lagartija Mike
    Spectator

    Does anyone do figures for the transitional period?

    #32963
    paintpig
    Participant

    Ebor figures are the ducks guts, quite delightful. They will match FR in height but due to the dwarvish proportions (wide as they are high) of FR they will look somewhat malnutritioned (it’s a word), so heft would be the thing to look out for.

    Uniforms change pretty much continuously during the century at a pinch they will do for the WAS, but who cares? Your toys your games, if you had to buy a separate army for each time the French changed cut, buttons and facing you would need to reinforce the flooring, same goes for most other nations.

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    #32975
    Hwiccee
    Participant

    I can’t help with figures, I dumped 25mm years ago.

    I am not sure if you are planning to get one army or two sides of some kind. But if you are going to get just one side then I would recommend either French or Swedish. The French use the WSS style uniforms through to the early SYW (1757). While the Swedes basically invented SYW style uniform and were wearing it at the time of the WSS. They were not in the WSS but fighting in the Great Northern War at the same time, but their uniforms are the same right through to the SYW. The main difference is they have pikes in the WSS era, so basically have a few extra figures to replace them in later wars.

    #32977
    willz
    Participant

    Mike I recommend Crann Tara Miniatures, Graham has an expanding range of figures.

    I find them a joy to paint, the have little or no flash on them.  Price wise £1.10p a infantry figure.

    http://cranntaraminiatures.co.uk/

    Also if you are looking for information on WAS / SYW /AWI, I can recommend “John Rays” A military Gentleman.  Whilst it is not a cheap book after you have bought it you can join the military gentleman forum, it has a vast store of information on the 18th century.http://amilitarygentleman.blogspot.co.uk/

    I also like Elite Miniatures they are easy to paint and he does French, British and Prussian they tie in well with Crann Tara.

    http://www.eliteminiatures.co.uk/28mmsevenyearswar.html

    I like Front Rank but find them a bit over sized for my taste (I bought his first production and they were smaller).

    Ebor are nice figures they tie in with Crann Tara and Elite (on one of their pages they have a figure comparison photo),  Warfare Miniatures are very nice

    http://www.leagueofaugsburg.com/shop/products-subcat-31.html

    I have some of their cavalry v-nice, though they are more 1690 – 1730 period.

    Found thesehttp://www.bing.com/images/search?q=images+ebor+miniatures+size+comparison&view=detailv2&qpvt=images+ebor+miniatures+size+comparison&id=436F8705F4176B3B759B9123A47B4F251B04EA78&selectedIndex=15&ccid=Utpilmuw&simid=608031137800587362&thid=OIP.M52da62966bb0a5bb9a52d5a298af93c4o0&ajaxhist=0

    http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=images+of+miniatures+size+comparision&view=detailv2&&id=9E32CDF328E6EFCB923212B6ED0AD737F9ADBCE7&selectedIndex=105&ccid=9CDHg0r3&simid=607996417286410001&thid=OIP.Mf420c7834af7b84c08870974faab3c75o0&ajaxhist=0

    http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=images+of+miniatures+size+comparision&view=detailv2&id=5C0DD909E7B5B87E4458E7A5C65AF79F68397375&selectedindex=189&ccid=J2fDJwTi&simid=608024712524861108&thid=OIP.M2767c32704e27eed82a06b03930ffeb7o0&ajaxhist=0&first=1

     

    Hope this information helps

    #32985
    willz
    Participant

    Meant to add Spencer Smith Miniatures are nice figures, lacking in detail but they have an elegance about them.  Plus you can get an infantry figure for £0.55p and less if you buy lots.

    http://www.spencersmithminiatures.co.uk/html/ssm_c18th.html

     

     

    #32997
    Patrice
    Participant

    Wargames Foundry still has a nice range; and its new satellite Casting Room Miniatures has recently exhumated interesting things too.

    http://www.argad-bzh.fr/argad/en.html
    https://www.anargader.net/

    #32998
    Not Connard Sage
    Participant

    I can’t help with figures, I dumped 25mm years ago. I am not sure if you are planning to get one army or two sides of some kind. But if you are going to get just one side then I would recommend either French or Swedish. The French use the WSS style uniforms through to the early SYW (1757). While the Swedes basically invented SYW style uniform and were wearing it at the time of the WSS. They were not in the WSS but fighting in the Great Northern War at the same time, but their uniforms are the same right through to the SYW. The main difference is they have pikes in the WSS era, so basically have a few extra figures to replace them in later wars.

     

    French coats had ‘proper’ collars, and turnbacks, by 1745. Cavalry uniforms had evolved even more, and some heavy cavalry had started wearing breastplates outside the coat again.

    Depends how picky you are, I suppose

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    #32999
    Lagartija Mike
    Spectator

    Thanks, guys. I’m going to build two armies as soon as my French Revolutionaires are completed. The only question that remains is which ones, or if I should go the imagiNations route.

    #33001
    Not Connard Sage
    Participant

    Which ones? French and Imperial/Austrian. All those grey/white coats will drive you nuts though.

     

    I went the Flanders route, with the Maritime Powers (British and Dutch) and their Danish/German allies (Prussia/Hess Kassel/Hanover) against the French and their Bavarian allies.Still a lot of grey/white coats though – undyed woollen cloth was cheap…

     

    The army of Savoy can appear for either side, depending on what year it is 🙂

     

    A good site to get you started with the French

    http://royalfig.free.fr/index.php?/category/30

     

    Danish

    http://www.tacitus.nu/karoliner/armeer/danmark/infanteri.htm

     

    Kronokaf is subscription only (20$Can IIRC), hasn’t been up for long, and doesn’t have much apart from the French yet. Similar to the free SYW site. Both links included below.

    http://kronoskaf.com/wss/index.php?title=Main_Page

    http://www.kronoskaf.com/syw/index.php?title=Main_Page

     

     

     

     

     

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    #33012
    Hwiccee
    Participant

    The infantry had collars but these are I suspect they would be barely noticeable even in 25mm. Turnbacks were optional with the infantry but the cavalry did have them by the SYW. I don’t know if they had them in the 1740’s though? Some cavalry did wear breastplates outside but that of course also means some didn’t. This also ignore the fact that many of them dumped the cuirasses/didn’t bother wearing them in any case.

    Depends how picky you are, I suppose

    Yes to some extent. It is also only a problem if you insist on using a totally impractical figure scale 🙂

     

    #33020
    Lagartija Mike
    Spectator

    Unless I go with a spurious imagiNations thing, I’ll probably go with a Franco-Spanish-Savoy force. Unless the Austrians can field grenze and hussars at this period which I’m unsure of. The one big plus of going the imagiNations route is a liberty with unit types and uniform colors.

    #33023
    Hwiccee
    Participant

    The French, Spanish and Savoyards fought together in 1701-02 and sort of in 1703. In 1703 the Savoyards are planning to switch sides and so try to seperate. In 1704-06 the French and Spanish continue the fight.

    The Austrians have Danish, Prussian, Palatine and Saxe Gotha contingents with their army at various time, along with Savoyards from 1704. The armies usually contained grenzers/hussars but these were NOT battle troops and without doing a full check I don’t think ever featured on the Italian battlefields. In 1703 a Hungarian revolt started and lasted until 1711. Large numbers of grenzers/hussars fought (on both sides I think) in the campaigns there.

    #33024
    Patrice
    Participant

    …and then you will realize that soldiers of this period can historically fight vs pirates, and before you know it all the shelves in your house will be full of 28mm ships and palm trees…

    http://www.argad-bzh.fr/argad/en.html
    https://www.anargader.net/

    #33037
    willz
    Participant

    Thanks, guys. I’m going to build two armies as soon as my French Revolutionaires are completed. The only question that remains is which ones, or if I should go the imagiNations route.

    Mike I do French / Austrian circa 1720 – 1760ish, using actual uniforms of this period and my imagination army is Tiberia whose uniforms are remarkably similar to the French uniforms of the period.  I make up the odd regiment, the plus side on this method is that the armies are historical, at worst very close.

    #33042
    Lagartija Mike
    Spectator

    @WHarley: I think I saw some of your Tiberian cavalry around, I liked your palette it was colorful but believable. If I go with imagiNations I’ll likely extrapolate a Byzantine army that survived well into the 18th century (lots of portable ikons and purple, pearls and gold religous banners).

    #33067
    willz
    Participant

    @WHarley: I think I saw some of your Tiberian cavalry around, I liked your palette it was colorful but believable. If I go with imagiNations I’ll likely extrapolate a Byzantine army that survived well into the 18th century (lots of portable ikons and purple, pearls and gold religous banners).

    Go for it Mike, you can never have to much colour in the 18th century.

    #33083
    Lagartija Mike
    Spectator

    Does anyone have any info on Polish armies of the WSS period? I can get plenty on the late 17th and then again 1775 through the Partition, but this era is a kinda blank.

    #33084
    willz
    Participant
    #33094
    Hwiccee
    Participant

    Mike,

     

    Here is a page on the Poles during the Great Northern War (1700 – 21) – http://www.wfgamers.org.uk/resources/C18/faq.htm – they fought on both/all sides in this war. In short they looked like ‘classic’ Poles, Winged Hussars, Pancerni, etc, but with less old fashioned weapons/equipment (lances, spears, bows, armour) and more pistols, carbines, etc. The Western style cavalry looked like western style cavalry of the time. We have no idea what the infantry looked like, partly because they used very little of it.

    After the GNW the army was ‘reorganised’. This meant it was deliberately made so bad that it could never be a problem to anyone else again. It was literally a joke army and was the butt of many jokes at the time. It was small, progressively ‘Westernised’ in appearance and absolutely useless. This is why in the SYW the Russians, Prussians and Austrians just wander through Poland at will – there is no ‘real’ Polish army to do anything about it.

    #33109
    Lagartija Mike
    Spectator

    @WHarley & Hwiccee: thanks! I’m looking into my options for the imagiNations but the Polish info is pushing me back to reality.

    #33110
    Not Connard Sage
    Participant

    You’ll be fighting the GNW, rather than the WSS, with Poles.

     

    I hope you like painting cavalry 🙂

     

     

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    #33116
    Lagartija Mike
    Spectator

    @NCSage: I know, my love of exotic troop types and garish outfits always drags me out of the mainstream in any period. I’m looking into a possible Venetian force, I’m hoping their Balkan connections can allow me hussars and bloodthirsty mountain dandies.

    #33120
    Lagartija Mike
    Spectator

    Grenadiers are essential, and not merely for tactical reasons. There’s something about the shape of their hats that suggest congenital deformities of the skull, like angry martial pinheads on parade. And they always seem to be smiling. Stuff of nightmares. It helps that they toss cartoony bombs around (or did at one point).

    #36014
    Cerdic
    Participant

    I can’t help with comparisons for this period, but there is a comprehensive list of potential manufacturers to look at here…

     

    http://28mmreview.blogspot.co.uk/p/18th-century.html

     

    #40477
    Paul Robinson
    Participant

    Danes are good.  Reasonably colorful (violet artillery uniform for example) and fought in the west for both the maritime powers but also the Holy Roman Empire.  Also fought in the Great Northern War.

    there were a lot of small German states that threw in with both sides so if you want to start small they are a good introduction.

     

    figurenwise if you’re on a budget don’t forget the plastics from WF soon to be rerelease do from Warlord.  Figures are okay and will reward some care and attention.

    i like Ebor but find the muskets too flimsy and so base mine on deep bases to protect them from extending beyond the front edge of the base.

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