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  • #23759
    Ivan Sorensen
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    I used to try to level out infantry bases with resin or plaster, but I gave it up as far too much work for far too little pay back. Paint the area around the infantry’s feet black or earth colored and flock around but not on top of the figure bases and you’ll only notice the difference very close up.

    Yeah, I gave up on that too.

    I still do it a bit, just because it’s part of my work flow but it is barely noticeable once the base is flocked.

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    #23795
    Mr. Average
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    Yeah, I’ve done a few tests (none worth photographing) and really I think that a mix of textured paint and some flock and talus is the best bet.  Trying to level out a bazillion infantry bases with putty is liable to be an exercise in frustration and tedium.  And as I’ve already seen with my Quar, just basing in black and then adding various gravels and grit materials makes the base look like shadow and not be noticeable.  So as much as it rankles my perfectionist side I think that’s the best bet.

    I’m intrigued by the sandpaper idea, though – it holds a certain fascination I admit, since it had literally never occurred to me.  In fact, there is self-adhesive sandpaper for sanding blocks and belt sanders, and that might be useful – stick it right down.  I might use that as a base for the tank bases if it can be made to work, as it would provide a textured but relatively level surface. Again, experimentation will reveal the route.  Good suggestions everyone!  Thanks for all the input!

    #23860
    Mr. Average
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    So the Dystopian Wars terrain looks to me like a great match for 3mm scale.  Probably it’s intended to be closer to 2mm scale, but I don’t really mind the difference.  This is a Brittannia Bunker next to my Land Raider prototype.  I think that in scale and style they’re an excellent match.

    #23866

    1/900 works great with 1/600. Terrain always looks better a scale or so smaller than the figs.

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    #23888
    Mr. Average
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    I agree.  I also got one of the “Towns and Settlements” packs, whatever it’s called, and although pricy at $50, it has pretty much all the building you’re ever likely to need at this scale.

    If I ever got a second one, I could cover the majority of the table with buildings, parks, ruins, etc.  As it stands, thin plastic card for sidewalks and then blocks of buildings will make some famous fighting space.  The style of the Dystopian Wars stuff is pretty perfectly amenable to the 40K Techno-Gothic setup.

    I think I’m going to get a single 28mm Marine and paint him grey, as a statue in a park.

    #23889

    Just make sure you paint a lot of pigeon shit on his shoulders.

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    #23893
    Mr. Average
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    Well, of course.  Why else would they import pigeons to the colony?

    #23898
    javelin98
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    Quick FYI:  Drop pods are now live!

    http://shpws.me/HEWA

     

    It could be that the purpose of your life is simply to serve as a warning to others.

    #23906
    Mr. Average
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    Jav, you’re reading my mind, here! Really cool pieces, and you can bet my Ultramarines will be descending to battle in them very soon!

    #23956
    Mr. Average
    Participant

    A possible Thunderhawk Gunship (Enceladus Pattern).

    And some primed examples of the other National Cheese Emporium vehicles.  Left to right: Not-Predator, Not-Rhino, Not-Whirlwind, Not-Vindicator.  They’re all very good pieces.  Very small for cleaning, though, and I have to wait until the primer sets completely before I’ll be able to tell if it actually “took.”

    #24016

    Almost makes me want to 40k epic in 3mm. And I have sworn a sacred vow to never game in a GW universe again…

    But I guess I could sell off all my old 6mm epic stuff (of which I have boatloads — first edition, too) and buy 3mm stuff.

    Looking forward to seeing how the marines come out.

    We get slapped around, but we have a good time!

    #24020
    Mike
    Keymaster

    The big imponderable is the infantry. Getting those bases to sit properly without looking like strips of stuff glued to a board – always a challenge. I’ve come close with the plaster basing, but seating and blending down the little bases is time-consuming and labor-intensive. But that might just be the way of things

    Vallejo White Pumice or Windsor and Newton Gel.
    Easy win for building up around integral bases.

    #24023
    Mr. Average
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    Interesting – I’d never considered this stuff before.  Worth a try, for sure!  Thanks for the tip!

    By the way: Reaver or Warlord Titan (probably Warlord):

    Just ordered a pack.

    #24063

    I’ve used Vallejo White Pumice on three millimeter and take my advice: don’t use it. It is way too gritty. It looks heavier and noiser than sand fill. So unless you want your infantry stumbling around through a boulder field, you need something much smoother as filler.

    I now use Vallejo Earth for this sort of thing. It is quite smooth, but easily textured.

    However, I’ve found that just flocking the bases is good enough — even with Magister Millitum’s heavy-duty 2mm thick bases (which I will soon be showcasing here). The trick is to glue up to the base but not on the miniature’s base. Sometimes you have to lay a thin thread of glue a second time between the base and the miniature base, and lay down a second layer of flocking. It’s still way less time consuming than trying to level out the bases with gell or Vallejo spoo, and it looks just as good, especially at distances greater than 10 cm.

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    #24117
    Mr. Average
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    Hmm.  Well, I ordered a small pot of the stuff just the same – one never knows.  Good to experiment with, anyway.

    On another point related to this project (as it spirals out of control), I thought I’d mention a very odd experience I’ve just had.

    The Predators and Rhinos took primer on Sunday afternoon, and although I gave them a very thorough cleaning beforehand, the primer went on very sticky, and after a full day and a half of drying, they were still tacky, with paint residue rubbing off on everything.  Most disappointing.  So I took my usual course and dropped them in paint stripper to try again.  About fifteen minutes later, though, I realized I’d never actually used the solvent on 3d printing resins before, and although it’s non-toxic and relatively non-caustic (Simple Green), I got cold feet, so I took them out of the cleaner bath, rinsed them and dried them off.

    Lo and behold, the primer had cured.  No more tacky surface, no more residue.  Now how do you account for that, I wonder?  My working hypothesis at the moment is that the last coat of primer must have gone on with too much propellant or solvent in the mix, and a few minutes in the Simple Green was enough to draw off the solvent without destroying the binder, thus causing the paint to cure when it hadn’t done so before.  I have no idea if that’s what really happened, but the figures seem to be fine now, so I’m calling it a win and moving on.

    #24129

    Vallejo white pumice is good to have for many reasons, so I am sure you’ll find a use for it. If you DO want rough looking bits on your bases, for example, it works a treat. But keep the Vallejo earth in mind.

    I have had permanently tacky spray coats, too. I think atmospherics might have something to do with it. I have painted right over them, however, with no ill effects. It seems to hold the paint just as well. I think your hypothesis about the simple green is right, however.

    We get slapped around, but we have a good time!

    #24225
    Mr. Average
    Participant

    A little progress, and some photos to show scale, especially of the buildings I’m using, from the Dystopian Wars range.  As you can see, the detail and rendition on the Spartan buildings is really quite excellent, and with a good cleaning, they’ve been taking primer and base coat very well.  As I mentioned previously, the scale is a little smaller for the buildings, but I don’t think it’s noticeable.  And as TB has mentioned, having the buildings a hair smaller than the miniatures makes the figures stand out in contrast and gives a nice feel to the game.

    Left to right: two Not-Land Raiders, Not-Thunderhawk, Not-Rhino with Not-Tactical markings, Not-Predator, and Not-Contemptor Pattern Venerable Dreadnought.

    #24237

    Very nice! Where are the not-marines? 🙂

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    #24261
    Mr. Average
    Participant

    The Not-Marines are Not Here. Yet. But I just got an email yesterday that they’re out of back order and on their way to me now. So, here’s hoping…!

    #24290
    Mr. Average
    Participant

    I do hasten to add that O8 Badger walkers make really good Dreadnoughts. Paint up like a charm and are just right for the scale. Remarkable amount of character considering that they’re only  1/4″ tall! I’m working on Army Cards for all this as well.

    #24297

    I know! I have a bunch of them myself, painted up for my Grey Army. They are really great and a breeze to paint.

    I am really looking forward to seeing your project done. How are you going to base the marines? In a strip or in the old school “figure five” formation?

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    #24409
    Mr. Average
    Participant

    So, you snatched up reply #100 for the thread?  Sneaky, TB.

    Just in keeping with the thread and trying to be thorough with my images of scale and such, this is to show the relative size of things as they stand:

    Small building from Spartan Games.  I proclaim their resin excellent.  Easy to prime, easy to paint, characterful in the extreme.  Looming behind it is a repurposed CEF “Frame” from DP9, standing in for a Warlord Titan and doing a fine job of it at scale.  Had to make it “shootier” than it would be for Heavy Gear, in order to suit the 40K idiom.

    #24555
    Mr. Average
    Participant

    The Marines themselves have finally arrived!  Nice little casts, and very amenable to my purposes.  Plus, I have to thank Marcin for making these ones on scored bases so they can be more easily clipped apart – the Heavy Infantry and Soviets which I’ve been using are all on solid bases and hard to separate without damaging the figures.

    By the way, in answer to your question, TB, I’m doing the old school Figure-Five setup.  Always liked that more than the Napoleonic Ranks.  Note, the base here is just for scale.  And also, although it is granular, I’m still having good results with the white pumice, to the extent that I think it’ll be my basing material of choice.  Many thanks to the Editor on that one!

    At the moment, the arrival of infantry forces has sent me into a frenzy of work drawing up base labels.  And after a few false starts, I’m finally getting a good system of graphics together to keep the units readable.

    It’s all falling into place…

    #24563
    Mike
    Keymaster

    Many thanks to the Editor on that one!

    No worries.

    #24579

    That infantry is going to look killer bee in Ultramarine blue.

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    #24583
    Mr. Average
    Participant

    Actually, they’re just about perfectly designed for this application.  Each strip has three different moulds.  On the left, a trooper with his gun up, advancing, will be the “assault” marine.  On the right, the guy with his gun in the ready position is the typical “tactical” marine.  In the middle, the cast is noticeably larger than the others, with a heavy weapon, and to my mind is perfect for a terminator or veteran.

    #24700
    Mr. Average
    Participant

    Land Speeders. Actually Hiigaran Heavy Fighters from Homeworld, but not bad for the purpose, assuming I’ve got my scaling correct. We’ll have to see. Between these and the Drop Pods, the Ultramarines OOB is just about complete. I’d been hoping to use the “Harrier” fighters from Arbron Imagineering, but they’ve taken them off their Shapeways site, something that is getting to be an annoying habit with them (“That thing you like? You can’t have it anymore.”)  Of course, I didn’t ask. But I just got impatient and these looked the part pretty suitably. I guess it makes sense as they push metal through IWM, but I refuse to order directly from Iron Wind Metals at this point – they ship via UPS with signature confirmation and refuse to do otherwise (with somewhat rude and surly responses) and hell if I haven’t ended up spending days chasing down my packages, so nuts to that. Hopefully these will be good for the purpose.

    I thought about bikes, knowing that they’re available in the O8 WW2 German line, but they feel a little kitschy in the milieu so I’m just as happy without them. Maybe one day O8 can be convinced to do a sci fi bike of an acceptable kind but I’m not torn up about it. We seem to be getting there, though!

    #24720

    Those look very good. Please send photos ASAP as I think they’d make great GEV stand-ins, too. They’d also work as more hi-tech looking Eldar vehicles.

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    #25114
    Mr. Average
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    The Land Speeders are on their way, TB – I’ll post photos as soon as they arrive.

    In the meantime, the Marines themselves are on the painting board now!  They’ve gotten their base coat and drybrush, and I’ve started with the highlighting.  Then come details.  In front are the Assault troops, and will receive red helmets and gun shrouds.  To the left are Tactical marines, who will get white shoulder pads (or gold, for Veterans).  And to the right are the Devastators, who will get white helmets and red gun shrouds.

    The marines in the blank spots went AWOL, but were found and returned to duty elsewhere.  When I prime I glue them on a small bit of cardboard with white glue, but it sometimes gives way during painting.

    Also, the first Land Raider detachment has been based and is ready for battle, a view of things to come.  The base edging needs a tad of touch-up I now realize.

    Word to the wise: Vallejo pumice will peel off of plastic bases unless there’s a tooth in the surface for it to key into.  It seems to adhere well enough for most use, but i did have an application fail, so I scored the top of the plastic with a file and a zip knife, and the second application seems much tighter.  In spite of its slightly rubbery consistency it seems to take acrylic paint very well and the level of texture is really very nice.

    #25136

    The white pumice does look good on those landraiders.

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    #25271
    Mr. Average
    Participant

    I was also doubtful about the pumice at first sight, but when painted it really duns down the texture and makes it look more like flat earth.  So, this is what the Marines themselves look like, fully finished.  This is the better part of a Tactical detachment.  I’ve got the basing down to a pretty reasonable process – my goal for the weekend is some production – hopefully the first full Battle Company and the rest of the Land Raiders.

    #25274
    Alexander Wasberg
    Participant

    Looking really good! It’s good to know we can use the pumice at 3mm scale as well.

    I have to ask, are those marines O8’s venerator PA?

    #25287
    Mr. Average
    Participant

    Yes!  They suit the purpose beautifully.  Two packs gives you a Battle Company.

    #25291

    I messed around yesterday with a new terrain idea and got out my white pumice. Turns out it was the grey pumice I wasn’t that satisfied with.

    Those look REALLY good! I am almost tempted to get back into Warhampster 40K Epic. Almost.

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    #25299
    Mr. Average
    Participant

    …almost?  Or almost… like a FOX?!

    Wait, that doesn’t work.  Damn it, I had it on the plane…

    #25302

    IT’s so cool to see this project grow from a wild idea to a fully realized thing in — what? — a month? Can’t wait to see the whole chapter and their titan!

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    #25308
    javelin98
    Participant

    So, Mr. Average, is there anything else you need Sketchup’ed in order to complete your chapter?

    It could be that the purpose of your life is simply to serve as a warning to others.

    #25318
    Mr. Average
    Participant

    Gosh, I think this pretty well covers it!  I have drop pods on the way right now, and some Land Speeder proxies, although the latter may or may not fit the bill so better models of those might be nice, albeit much more complicated builds in Sketchup.  Gunships of whatever variety would be the only other thing I could think of, unless a variant of the Land Raider (Helios) with the missile battery?  The Hunter AAA variety of the Rhino?  But at that point it’s getting awfully rarefied.

    What I WOULD love to see at some point, though, would be the start of an Imperial Guard tank line!  Leman Russ and the various Chimera derivatives (the artillery and such).  But with all that, I have to say that this is all really already above and beyond the call of duty on your part Jav – to take this, as TB says, from crazy musings to reality inside of six weeks is something quite amazing! You have my thanks for making it happen!

    Incidentally, Jav, if you would like them, feel free to use any of the photos I have been taking of your figures.  I recognize that might be a bit sensitive since these are GW proxies and one doesn’t want to kick a hornet’s nest.  But they are superb at the scale and sooner or later I’ll do some “Family Pictures” of the various pieces fully painted and based.

    #25324

    If the speeder proxies don’t work, I’ll buy them off of you as GEVs.

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    #25325
    Ivan Sorensen
    Participant

    So the big question is which version of Epic ? (or a non GW version?)

    I was always partial to NetEpic or the original Space Marine / Adeptus Titanicus.

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