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The Shuvalov “secret howitzer” and the Danilov-designed ‘unicorn’ were two different guns, with only the latter enjoying a long service life.

For a different discussion of canister, including how the Russians resolved their canister issues, see  Alexander Zhmodikov’s comments at Page 85 of this issue of the “Smoothbore Artillery Journal”: https://www.napoleon-series.org/military-info/OrdnanceJournal/Issue7/SOJ-07_Part3_Weights.pdf .

Bryce Allen

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Seems like the site is back up at its same location now:  https://kiver.000webhostapp.com/allfacings.html .

All’s well, then.

Bryce Allen

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Jonathan, it appears your site has been taken off-the-air again . . . any news you can share?

https://kiver.000webhostapp.com/index.html

Bryce Allen

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They look brilliant, Truls!  I hope your legendary stamina can carry you through this massive project–but what a great start!

Bryce Allen

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Brigade Games (USA) have a “Civilian Lady on a Horse” in their Napoleonic range: https://www.brigadegames.com/Napoleonic_c_278.html . The dress style should please your lady’s costume sensibilities.

Bryce Allen

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Time well spent, Truls!

Bryce Allen

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Always appreciate your updates, Jonathan.

Bryce Allen

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Thanks for sharing, Tony!

Bryce Allen

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Sorry I was unable to provide what you wished for these two brothers, as I did not understand the original question to be addressing ‘succession protocol’.  Perhaps Jonathan can shed more light?

Bryce Allen

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Bump for The Bandit, in case this was missed.

Bryce Allen

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Jonathan will no doubt be along shortly . . . in the meantime, if you refer to the Borodino OOB researched by Alex Mikaberidze (http://www.napoleon-series.org/military/battles/1812/Russia/Borodino/Mikaberidze/OrdersofBattle/c_MikaberidzeOOB1.html) you find the 12th Division’s commander listed as “Major General Illarion Vasilchikov I”, and the 3rd Brigade IV Cavalry Corps commander as “Colonel Dmitry Vasilchikov II”.

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Go Russian . . . you know you want to!

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Actually, Grizz they are overcoats (shinels in Russian) rather than blankets, which were handy for deflecting slashing swords when enemy horsemen closed to hand-to-hand range.  But mostly, Alan Perry sculpted them on the figures, so I had to paint them. 

Bryce Allen

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No, the horsehair crests of the later helmet style (Dragoons & Cuirassiers) went to all ‘black’, with only trumpeters distinguished by an all red crest.  Jonathan will undoubtedly be along shortly to clarify . . .

Bryce Allen

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Yes, 1812 Hussars.  Many thanks for your continuing efforts, Jon–much appreciated!

Bryce Allen

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Thanks for the ongoing updates!  Hussars are next on the painting desk, and I’ll be curious to see if your LPK sources have introduced any new information.

Bryce Allen

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In several respects, Jonathan, I think you’ve answered your own question in the posts above.  As with other questions of organisations and ‘organizational behaviour’, I think you’re implying the divergence in approaches is down to economic ‘enablement’.  In the feudal command economy of 18th and early 19th-century Russia, we know there were no ‘free agents’ to separately bid for or deliver transport and logistical services to the artillery arm (even had these not already been fully integrated with the military by Catherine’s era).  Every non-noble was somebody else’s serf (belonging to, and at the command of, a specific noble, or owned by the State) and both serfdom and military service were lifelong affairs.  There was no unfettered supply-side market accessible, unlike the mercantile, early-capitalist situation in western Europe, where hauliers and carriage services were already well-established from the earliest days of colonial expansion and mercantilism.

The only non-military external supply element required by the integrated Russian artillery, in order to kick-off a new campaign, was that of the Tsar’s ministers ordering the provision of additional horses to bring the ‘motor pool’ up to full strength (including ‘spares’)—a process of ‘tendering’ negotiated between those nobles owning the largest stud-farms, and the Tsar’s ministers (with the usual vagaries of royal patronage determining the ‘price’).  By contrast, the largely bankrupt Bourbon and other (non-British) monarchies of western Europe were under pressure to reduce their operating debts by not engaging transport contractors for their ‘un-integrated’ artillery arms (until compelled to do so by events); a choice ‘enabled’ by the availability of transport services in the civilian sector.  The subsequent post-Revolutionary French militarization of the various ‘train’ organisations seems to have been more driven by functional military imperatives (e.g., to improve battlefield ‘outcomes’) than by economics.

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All good and back to it’s usual brilliant format, Jonathan–many thanks!

Bryce Allen

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Sadly, as of 09:45 GMT today, your site was still inaccessible–so much for the 1 hour cycle.  Taking a ‘page’ from the TMP playbook?

Bryce Allen

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I used the Wargames Foundry Napoleonic Russian Artillery triad (with some additional washes), which came as like so:

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Agreed, Reese’s plates contain many, many errors.  The best of modern updated/translated scholarship is to be found on Jonathan Gingerich’s site: http://zaotlichiye.net63.net/allfacings.html . Flag staff colours, drumstick colours, pompons, sword knots, shoulder straps, etc. for all eras of the Napoleonic period.

Terrific painting!

Bryce Allen

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Testing . . .

Bryce Allen

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That’s quite a conundrum, Jonathan, but there’s no denying the data is a fascinating subject.  In terms of ‘format’ for the presentation, it would probably be the greatest service to other researchers if you could present the material in two clearly distinct parts:  1) the ‘facts’ you have discovered (warts and all); and 2) your analysis, hypotheses, and ‘explanations’ for the contradictions, omissions, etc., in a separate section, to avoid others conflating the two.  Very much appreciate you sharing your efforts to date, and am looking forward to more whenever available.

Bryce Allen

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General Slade may wish to revisit an old posting by ‘Seroga’ on The Miniatures Page, regarding “Russian Colour Parties”: http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=265911 .

 

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The closest I can find at this time, is from George Nafziger’s  collection: http://www.cgsc.edu/CARL/nafziger/813ECC.pdf

Since the battle of Lützen occurs only one month after the action you specify, why would you think there would be time for a massive re-organisation on the Russian side?

Hope it helps.

Bryce Allen

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Seeing those old Irregular figures, with the single-pose horses reminds us to be thankful that in recent times we have the Perry brothers to offer other choices.

Bryce Allen

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From Viskovatov, see Mark Conrad’s translation to English here: http://marksrussianmilitaryhistory.info/V11/V11.htm#hj

For greater clarity and updates, see Jonathan Gingerich’s fine reference page here: http://zaotlichiye.net63.net/allfacings.html (scroll way down).

Bryce Allen

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Not that I am aware of Jonathan.  If you were seeking to go in the direction of 28mm figures, then the plastic musketeers and grenadier figures of Warlord or Perry would seem to be the easiest to modify to achieve the ’empty bayonet scabbard’ result.

Bryce Allen

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Sadly, I do not have a personal copy of LPK–thankfully, your web-page updates give us a ‘window’ to it.

Bryce Allen

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Thanks for the clarification, Jonathan.  Your page remains a wonderful resource!

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I’m also interested in the answer to Janner’s query, as I’ve seen similar ‘vague’ information regarding hussar pompon colours.  Further, where most line hussars appear to be portrayed with pompons matching the shako cord/lace colour (e.g. O.K. Parkhaev’s plates), the Guard Hussars have yellow outer rings and red centres ?

Bryce Allen

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Thank you for the clarity, sir.   Working in the 28mm scale, I have to wrestle with other difficult choices to get the ‘effect’ desired, and for my sins they come out looking like so:

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As usual, remarkable painting at this scale!

I note the Foot Artillery crew figures appear to have ‘white’ buttons on coat fronts and cuffs, rather than ‘brass’ ones.  A case of artistic licence necessary to render sufficient ‘contrast’ at 6mm scale?  (I’m curious, as I typically only paint 28mm scale.)

Bryce Allen

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Your updates are always much appreciated, Jonathan.

Bryce Allen

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Very pretty indeed, Stephen–probably your best to date–the trumpeter’s grey is particularly tasty!

Bryce Allen

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Bandit, there is no ‘disjuncture’ here:  it’s a case of official chain of command versus actual battlefield deployment.  Mikaberidze’s account confirms that although Davout had five infantry divisions under his command, the 1st Division of Morand, and the 3rd Division of Gérard were ‘detached’ to Eugene’s IV Corps.  After Delzon’s 13th Division opened with the battle with the attack around the north of Borodino village, Morand (with to Delzon’s right), with Gérard immediately behind in support, made the initial advance on the Rayevsky redoubt. Grouchy’s cavalry was to the right and behind Gérard.

Bryce Allen

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Try The Napoleon Series, OOB by Alex Mikaberidze (whose book on the Battle of Borodino you might be familiar with): http://www.napoleon-series.org/military/battles/1812/Russia/Borodino/Mikaberidze/OrdersofBattle/c_MikaberidzeOOB2.html .

Bryce Allen

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Jonathan, I’ve used your page as a key resource and reference in building my Russian project (7th Infantry Division – 1812) over many years, and especially appreciate you on-going commitment to continuously updating your information with new research.  

Bryce Allen

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Well done, Jono.  As you imply, they do not paint themselves.

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