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So the way a resin printer works is that it bakes a few thick starter layers – this helps the print stock to the build plate. You don’t want those layers as part of your print, so you have to elevate the design. ‘Support’ is a slightly misleading term because resin printers work backwards – they ‘suck’ the print out of the print bed.
So the supports provide contact points, ensuring continuity of contact Between the bed and the mini.
Google ‘printed on an anycubic photon’ and click straight across to the images – you’ll see plenty with the supports still on, which are much easier to understand than me trying to explain it.
Nice – I love Rogue Planet.
I’d stat them up 4/4/4, medium, Carbine (maybe ‘powered armour’ if I wanted them to feel extra elite).
Sorry – yes, that’s right. I only use manual supports – that’s the bit that takes some learning to get right. Obviously anywhere a support touches is marked and will need a little clean up, but you also need as many supports as necessary.
For 6mm minis with weapons tucked in near them you can definitely have supports only on the underside of the integral base.
For a pointing pose you’d maybe want one on the hand – same for my SAW armed chaps because the weapon’s longer.
Well worth swatting up beforehand on supports – cleaning up a failed print is a royal pain.
I bought an anycubic photon having read up a fair bit.
Once you get the hang of zeroing it and the slicer, it works fantastic. If you’re looking for a printer to print loads of terrain (like all the good Star Wars legion terrain out there) then it’s not suitable – it’ll be too expensive.
You need a space to put it (because it smells a bit) that’s not in direct light (or any sunlight, ideally).
Chitubox make a significantly better slicer than the default one, download that as a first step.
Blimey these look ace – love the black and blue, wouldn’t never consider that.
Ooh I’m looking forward to seeing this develop. No pics for me either but they’re on your blog OK.
Seems like 6mm is the best scale for that weird war/dieselpunk thing.
Sure can but I’m happy for you stick them in this thread – I bet others have similar questions.
Really like those red guys! Looks like you have 2 factions just with the helmet variations. Can’t wait to see what else you come up with!
You’ve read my mind! I prefer the second helmets (I now realise that the first ones look a bit like diving helmets) but I’ve built these so I can switch out helmets easily (and maybe tweak the backpacks for more visual difference). I mean, just painting them in different schemes would be enough tbh.
@Rhoderick – that’s a cool concept, I like it.
80s toy/metal gear solid/GI Joe vibe is pretty under-explored in wargaming, which is weird because it seems perfect for the tabletop – bombastic ‘soft’ sci-fi. Thanks for reminding me about Trader’s Galaxy though – the HISS tank there is pretty good. Trolls Under the Bridge do some 6mm Catachans which are similar.
@alexander – thanks mate, shouldn’t take me long.
@Thomaston – I think the run was 1h58. Thing about resin printers is that the print time is solely dictated by the height – so printing 1 man or 100 men takes the same time. I printed 50 odd fellas – the fixed squads (missile teams and gun teams) and then enough poses of riflemen (I’ve got 8 poses) to have a nice selection for all the bases. Thanks for your feedback the other day – it spurred me on!
Here’s the v2 command stand in their base coat – you can see one of the kneeling poses second from right. I think the new helmet visors are better looking.
After the test prints I decided to print the whole army – 5 infantry squads, 2 x missile teams, 3 heavy gun teams and this command squad.
Going with the white and red scheme (I’ve mistakenly painted the helmets red here, now corrected).
Yeah that’s sort of where my heads’ at. I imagine in some scenarios it might be combat ready colonists (workers in mining or refining outposts) fending off trained military raids, so its a good opportunity for quite mismatched forces. Again – committing specific military forces might be a profit/loss calculation.
Once I find a good rule set (maybe Hammer of Democracy with some tweaks) I’ll play about with victory points so that taking vehicles is a gamble – very effective, but worth double victory points if killed, something like that. To try and represent the ‘profit’ aspect.
I am just checking in on what you
People are up to…
That’s an Interesting Point you make…
Not at all – because they’re so small I could print them vertically (ie stood upright) which makes a biiig difference) but I also set the layer height really small (0.03mm).
The joys of a resin printer!
If you ink wash a print you can just about see them.
I hadn’t really thought of it to be honest – once I get a chunk painted up I’ll see if there’s interest maybe.
Pretty sure DSG said the MaK stuff was just for personal use (I’d love some 6mm MaK too!!)
This has got me googling the costs involved in setting myself up with a 3d printer. Those infantry of yours look amazing!
I bought an Anycubic Photon – buy a couple of extra FEP films and expect to waste maybe half of your first resin bottle.
I opened my wee shop, so it’s a bit different, but if for small scales it’s cheap. 28mm minis are about £3 including supports (the way supports go means that there is an associated waste with resin printing).
I’ve just printed 10 x SAW poses and 35 other poses of my v2 vacsuits and the slicer tells me that run was £1.85 – but I do have my slicer settings ‘too high’ price wise, to try and account for waste.
(below aimed at Darkest Star)
Yeah for 6mm infantry home printing is cheaper than buying and resin pretty tough – maybe not quite so on dynamic or better detail minis (so guns have to stay chunky) but fine for me.
Ooh yeah that’s an interesting take.
Here’s my thoughts (though I’m trying hard not to overthink) – I’m thinking of these battles as corporate wars as opposed to nation states. Vehicles are expensive and very expensive to get up into space, so combat becomes mostly infantry focussed and fixed hard points, with the odd vehicle committed when the stakes are high.
The infantry are very ‘soft’ (suit damage being enough to knock you out the fight) – that all sounds very WW1 to me. I like the idea of using ‘smoke’ though.
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Those look great, pretty wild! And at .80p a fig you can’t really complain at all for something that custom. (I’ve got a ton of Ma.K/SF3D dudes in 6mm to print, and I am just dreading the cost of even the prep work, as I tend to make poses on 6mm figures way too complex…)
Would love to see what you come up with for vehicles. Great thing about 3d printing is you can do those open space-frames like the Space 1999 Eagles without having to worry about how it will cast!
Cheers – I should have made that clearer, it was 80p (i.e. £0.80) for the whole batch of 25, so a mega bargain!
I’m off today so I’ve just been tinkering based on Thomaston’s advice up there – got another platoon in the printer now with tweaked helmets and slightly more dynamic posing.
Very true about vehicles – I think I’ll go for big wheel truck type vehicles for APCs then I need to consider tanks. I’m not sure quite how ‘sci-fi’ this setting is yet, so I’ll just explore options – I like the idea of using a WW1 rulest to play, i.e. infantry squads, fixed or slow moving heavy weapons and slow, cumbersome vehicles that pack a punch.
Yeah I thought that having printed them – those look like nice minis there. When I come to work on an opposing force I’ll do bubble helmets I think.
Even printed at 0.03 they only take 2 hours and cost about 80p, so it’s no hassle to keep iterating.
Mike – could you strip the date stuff from the opening post please (think I’ve passed the time I can edit it now)
I’ve got a wee update for my 6mm thread!
I’ve been having lots of fun designing and printing things recently for the shop, but I’ve also been tinkering with 6mm bits and realised that simple 6mm infantry are well within my ability.
First batch are some baldy fellas – I’ve got an army on the go at the moment with these, some small mechs and some cobra H.I.S.S tanks, so these guys are intended to have an 80s action toy vibe.
I’ve been looking at older 6mm ranges like GZGs for posing and idea (because I’m not up to the standard of modern 3D designed ranges like vanguards). A simple way (as above) to vary the pose is to make it clear the head is facing in different directions, which I think worked pretty well when based as a group.
More importantly, for this post, are the next chaps – little 6mmm vac-suits!
When GZG released all their Moongrunt stuff I was really inspired – it’s a great opportunity to do some nice, bold colours *and* it’s a pretty pure ‘wargaming’ project (i.e. I wouldn’t get bogged down in RPG civilians like I do in all my other projects!), but it always seemed better suited to 6mm to me.
So here we have the start of 6mm Moon Wars – a wee test base. The actual basing is wrong – I need a new recipe because my ‘glazing’ basing style (like I do for desert) doesn’t work.
I like all the colour schemes here – I think all white is pretty classic and the green looks good, but I think the first force will have the red and white. If I can find an easier yellow recipe I’ll try all yellow too. I do like the look of the multi-scheme on one base though – may be an idea for a mercenary force in the future.
Next I need to design some vehicles – in my version of this setting heavy weapons are only vehicle mounted (hence the squad only having a squad level weapon) then buildings and scenario pieces.
Well I’ve got a few things rescaled to 6mm (some of the vehicles and the water tower) as a sort industrial ‘set’ – a couple of vehicles, some scatter and the buildings. Working on them for pics as we speak.
Thanks Wouter! Plenty more to come (though my next releases are likely 6mm)
I might have that mini or some other options – let me have a dig in my fantasy box. Happy to send you matey.
Just saw these over n LAF – the painting is really fantastic!
I’ve not been buying minis recently much, trying to sort my own stuff but I’ll definitely be picking these up.
Oh man yeah – 6mm infantry is really where my Photon fall down. Waaaay too brittle.
I didn’t mind the finish on the infantry of those forumware bits – bit ‘gritty’ but fine after priming. I really must do something interesting with those actually – haven’t got enough for a collection of any type, so maybe a diorama.
Will you post pics of your bits?
This is coming along lovely – exactly the type of terrain I picture for this stuff, ruined columns and smashed temples. Ace.
I often wonder at 6mm how easily he could police his IP (I know he’s famous for it). I’ve always assumed that the loss of detail at small scale makes copyright harder to argue.
I managed to snag some of the 15mm Ma.K stuff of those Aussie guys who do all the epic forumware before they stopped, but i barely bought any. Should have spent tonnes!
Haha I mean my little shop is all a vanity project really!
I wish so much that Ma.K would licence a 15mm or 6mm range, it’s be amazing.
Most of my 3D modelling time is spend doing bits for the shop, but I am working on some 1:1800 ground forces (ie “1mm”) mostly because I also want to model small towns etc. Got some prints on at the mo, I’ll pop a pic up later.
I mostly feel with exporting the other way – out of uk – but there’s loads of weird knock on effects from Brexit uncertainty. Almost certainly related. Small scale import export is in for a rough 2019 over here.
Finished off a few new bits:
I’m most pleased with this crashed shuttle and ejected (badly!) pilot
I made this as more of a terrain kit that a finished product, so there’s an article on the site on how I put mine together:
I’m really pleased with it and the pilot I sculpted – the casting came out spot on for him
Here’s H4NK beginning the salvage operation.
And I’ve got a new, variant delivery van (I was very tempted to paint it red for a Postman Pat-in-Spaaaaaace vibe). The panels on the side are designed so that they’ll fit a graphic/decal nicely. I’m hoping to do a depot building soon and I’ll paint up 3 or 4 of these to match too.
Few new toys gave me the chance to do some silly pics too:
For those who’re interested I’ve rearranged my printer files a bit and now H4NK the droid is available for sale as a print, not just a file. My shipping isn’t really set up for just selling small bits, but if you just want one or two let me know and I’ll work something out – probably best to contact me via the shop contact form.
This is really super cool – I always liked the idea of a more detective centric game (I was going to do an ancients one at some point because of a very particular Xyston mini) but wan’t sure how to approach. Didn’t know New Hope existed, maybe I could reskin that too.
I love your small tile/boards, they always look so good.
For a UV blast I just bought a nail curing thing off amazon (a “nailstar”) – cost £12 and works perfectly. I give them two blasts of 3 minutes (one on each ‘side’) once I’ve taken all supports off.
That’s great advice above- basically same as I use it solo too.
I also – only roll 1D6 for orders (you can get a bigger swing between sides sometimes, which I like for solo gaming) then take it turns per side (so side A moves one unit, side B moves one etc.) until units are all ordered.
I find that rules that could be frustrating against an opponent (say you roll 1 order and they roll 6) instead add a lot more uncertainty to solo play, which is what you want really (and avoids playing card methods, which I hate!)
Thanks! I have a ‘style’ of building that I’m working on at the moment for a set of buildings to represent a township, but I wanted to knock up just a one off – equivalent of a space hut. If anyone’s played Fallout 2, I was quite inspired by the ‘white’ building model they use sometimes – often a medical building – there’s a load of them in Vault City.
Sorry dude – missed above reply.
I hadn’t realised you did all your designs – in that case, yeah, you’d be spot on.
Like you say, for super curved surfaces you *might* not get a master-worthy print, but you’d get some lovely test prints (probably good enough for you to paints as a sample too – the primer and little sanding will take care of minor issues).
In other news, I’ve only gone and released a new batch!
I’ve got some more buildings on the go at the moment, but there’s a more traditional model making element to those so they’ll be a while yet. I’m pleased I introduced some height into this batch though:
Thanks mate – I’m excited to contribute to the 15mm sci-fi world.
I love it, with caveats:
There isn’t a huge amount of 15mm aimed files out there (28mm doens’t always shrink well and 6mm is under detaile when expanded) so unless you’re also planning to learn to design your own stuff I’m not sure it’d be that worthwhile compared to a 28mm user. You’ll love it for 6mm though – easy to design and loooooooooads out there for free. Same for spaceships.
The slicing software and supports take some getting used to – I reckon I only had a 50% success rate on the first 20 things I made. The nature of the supports mean that you need to think about the detail a little. For example, these crates:
Have a flat, undetailed base (which is fine for a crate) and were printed at about a 50 degree tilt, so the supports are on the base and the flat ‘door’ side (meaning it’s easy to file and clean up). If I wanted all sides to be crenellated, then the supports would spoil that (or at least be problematic).
Having said that, one con you read a lot is the clean up – it’s really nothing! I assume mot reviewers aren’t from a tabletop/model making background, becuse it’s not really that far of the clean up you need for other, resin models. Just add an alcholo dunk.
Smell really sin’t bad either – my hobby room is a spareroom and there’s no smell.
It’s also worth mentioning resin isn’t that cheap – I’d guess that if I printed one of your larger vehicles – if I had the file obvs – it’d probably cost me about as much as buying them.
So all in all – great for high quality minis, probably best if you’re a 28mm fan, a 6mm fan or willing to learn to 3d design yourself.
Ah that’ll be it – can you strip all the extra for me, just leaving the main Jagannath’s 15mm Sci-Fi?