[nigel Tullett]

Did anymore work get done on the version 2 of the system?

[nigel Tullett]

We have played some very entertaining games of the conflict with Scum of the earth, the system allows you to add period feel. It’s a difficult period to game with out making too one sided, columns of Red shirts very limited fire power hopefully charging home, well led needs to be reflected as well as the desire to keep pushing forward. Facing some very poor unwilling opponents. Scum of earth in my mind under rated system, manages to be more enjoyable than BP in my view with simple system and great for the size actions you are looking at.

[nigel Tullett]

We use Phil Sabin’s Legion 2, it’s hex based but in our view cannot be beaten for historical refights, very simple but reflects hoplite v Hoplite in the most playable and tense way.

[nigel Tullett]

It was left to dry a couple of weeks, there seems to be some references on line in that it gets reactivated with water.  So what happens in my experience is that a water based varnish reactivates the speed paint and as I brush rather than a clear varnish I get a very thing stain spread around the figure, so it’s totally dulled down any highlights and runs along edges -example arm and top of buff coat and the edges of the bonnets. It’s not apparent at first, only once dry. There is suggestion on line to varnish after each colour!  So what I thought was a great product can’t be highlighted or painted over or can’t tidy up with normal paints. I have ordered some non water based spray varnish to test to see if that fixes the speed paint without it running or bleeding.

[nigel Tullett]

Just another comment from me as a regular painter and seller on eBay – there clearly are large differences in the prices obtained from different manufacturers.  I regularly paint collections ( I enjoy the painting and basing as much as gaming) and when choosing a period I aim to use figures from manufacturers which are more desirable and hence I can recovery (hopefully) the investment both cost wise and painting time wise.
Example -Perry, Frontrank, Forged in Battle. With the same standard of painting and basing they will always achieve higher prices compared with say Minfigs, oldGlory, Essex minatures.

[nigel Tullett]

I can speak from personal experience in that I have sold large matching historical collections amounting to over £15K to NON  Wargaming collectors. Very strange that the two gentleman concerned have been willing to pay what I would call realistic prices non achievable on eBay. Both have however made decisions NOT to purchase collections where the figures have been plastic as they consider this will impact on future resale.

Look at the price movement in metal figures – those collections I had from Foundy when I purchased figures at 70 pence a figure would now cost £1.50 to replace the collections – yes over time the collections could be viewed as an investment but can I afford to replace at today’s prices?

The prices achieved for some figures on ebay are unbelievable, but the average price say £5 for a nice painted and based is well below the average hourly rate if pay in the UK – figure – £1.5o plus basing, plus grass tuffs, plus cleaning up time, plus spray undercoat etc etc- flags, metal spears.

[nigel Tullett]

I have to say I have nothing but excellent service from Wayland games, next day delivery of items is normal (that’s my experience so far) and any out of stock items have been shipped separately so they are taking a hit on shipping. I have always been advised of out of stock and checked on my account for status. They have 26K 5 star ratings on trust pilot, but understand your experience is not what you were expecting.

[nigel Tullett]

Could not agree more with deephorse’s comments, I am fed up with publications full of irrelevant stock illustrations rather than a set of rules that have been fully play tested. There are so many sets of rules offering the ideal gaming experience which are sold blind with very little information such as unit sizes, average force make up etc etc. My position now is not to waste any more cash on any rule system without joining the relevant Facebook page if there is one and look at the queries – questions etc which come to light in the real world.

[nigel Tullett]

Thanks

Sorry to hear of troubles.

appreciate update, reason why ask is had cracking ACW game today, have been trying to get play catch up games after lockdown. System is very cleaver, simple,  realistic and enjoyable. If you are looking for any play testing volunteers happy and willing to help…..used system for Naps – ACW and Italian wars of Unification

 

[nigel Tullett]

Someone has listed a frame (I presume freebie from front of WI) on eBay – currently up to £16.00!!!!!!!!!

[nigel Tullett]

The point I was trying to share was paying £14.22 and the actual cost of postage (yes I do accept there are material and labour costs) being £2.95. 12% is the default shipping charge and there is no mention of free or max postage.

I don’t get this being anything to with personal taste other than my decision to purchase from this company and having to accept the shipping cost if I want their figures which I do.

A sum added to an order which you are charged is fact,  it’s not my view, has nothing to do with feelings etc, so it’s not subjective.

Maybe it’s is the varying business models that figure manufacturers have that allow some to cap shipping – rewarding with a saving on large orders for their customers or some that feel they don’t need to due to their dominant postion. I do often add to an order to get free shipping when offered.

I get the feeling from responses here that most gamers are willing to accept Such charges and maybe I should just put up – captive audience etc.

Just to protect an excellent companies reputation this has NOTHING to do with Front rank who from past experience with shipping and customer service has been excellent.

[nigel Tullett]

Thanks – your reference to tracking etc is important, the cost of buying into a new period etc often means a large outlay not uncommon for a £500 plus order to be placed, various companies send tracked, special delivery DHL etc. From previous experience the company I am referring to just send Royal Mail or parcel force. So if the order goes missing where does the liability sit?

[nigel Tullett]

Thanks all for comments on this.

The company in question is as very very well know and charge 12% with NO cap, looking back all the orders have Placed have been like this and for fear of raising I am sure many customers just put up. After all we are a captive customer and want figures to finish collections or buy into the new goodies.

The order in question was shipped with a postage cost of £2.95. Order value £118.50 shipping £14.22. The company in question charge £7.50 for 6 foot which on the low side compared to others however my mind set is that high shipping shouldn’t offset that. I think the issue is the lack of cap – the average cost of say a small army of 300 figures would be £375 plus shipping on that £45!

I am mailing the company to suggest they look at a cap on postage.

[nigel Tullett]

Good show, thanks.

[nigel Tullett]

Thanks – I am using for ECW, Dutch Spanish wars and now I have adapted for the Italian wars! When you say new edition any more info? The system is great, not complex and gives real feel for period. I visited the Facebook page seems no activity for last 4 years…….Shame.

[nigel Tullett]

Great thanks for the info-sounds good😀

[nigel Tullett]

I understand it’s a new set of rules -anyone know more?

[nigel Tullett]

Thanks – so a light inf unit can get a quick time action move once  as shock action then move normally?

[nigel Tullett]

Shock actions

Can I check how shock action on light troops is intended to play.

Does a shock action played on for example a unit of Jägers allow it to move once, then move again only or move once and for the shock action fire, I suppose may be confused with the fact that units that move can’t fire, but by playing the shock that’s their “move” so may able to fire, I.e move once the fire where as other units normally either move only or fire only.

Thanks

[nigel Tullett]

One thing which is totally realistic and I haven’t seen under other systems in a manageable way (and I have played a good few systems) is the way that units can get forced back  in a fire fight or due to artillery hits and as the level of disarray builds and the inability to clear them there are natural breaks in combat. Disengagement is what I am getting at as damage is inflicted.There are too many systems where units stand and die or the game is dragging due to morale tests. Disarray is an excellent way of representing the battle fatigue of units and the army as a whole, and as the battle heats up its harder to stop units pulling back and steady them  and get them back into the fight.

The reinforcement rule us well worth a try..cleaver idea.

The system really leads itself to period adjustments and reflecting historical superior command structures.

The first game we played which was a 1813 Napoleonic almost was the last due to the very heavy kills base strength 6 plus 1 close order target, but my fellow gamer had the excellent idea for the reconfirm kill and by reducing the base ave unit strength t0 4 we now have excellent games, realistic, fun and enjoyable and no hardly need to refer to the rules.

No need for full colour marketing publications either,system is a bargain…..

[nigel Tullett]

This system is totally overlooked, now using them for 1813 Napoleonic, 1860 Italian wars of unification and ACw . Just love the combat system, one thing we did change was to reconfirm each 6 kill base off, 123 becomes a point of disarray 456 a kill, we found in Napoleonic the extra die fore close order target was blowing away units so slowed down just a bit.

The other thing we played was to reduce the number of fire dice down for poor troops – Second rate etc. This gave trained experienced troops a difference over poor which we felt needed to be reflected other than reducing thier disarray level. This also tended to deduce the odds of a good unit being forced right the way back due to 1’s thrown against it.

in ACW played the no charge combat rule unless charging  defences etc very clever and logical.

Excellent games and Thomas C19 now retired…

 

[nigel Tullett]

Great thanks – so just to be clear in the case of horse trying to charge formed they hesitate on a 1 or 2 then move into contact provided they are that close so can reach, the enemy get a reaction first. – I can’t see any benefit for the reaction-I am I missing something, this came up in a Napoleonic game and we played that the horse failed hesitated and did not charge home.

thanks for some very refreshing rule systems.

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