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Not ready to launch onto that project above [still to complete a gradual WIP battalion of the 5th Eger/ Jaeger].

However, on the matter of artillery I just clocked a mistake I’d made about a particular ‘battery’ composition. Not understanding the nuance of Russian translations, I’d taken the term Battery-company to be just an exotic clarification into English.

Then I re-read an old resource I’d captured, no idea where from – “Artillery 1800-1812; Imperial_Russian- _di_Diego_Bozzolan” which recites the regulations for artillery as (cleaned up text):

19 March 1803 –
These battalions, increased by an additional five new ones, were each brought to an establishment of two Battery-companies:

[Batareinaya, meaning Heavy or Positional]
4x medium 12-pdr guns,<br>4x light 12-pdr guns an<br>4×20 pdr gun-unicorns;

with 1 staff officer,6 officer,24 NCO , 50 bombardiers,50 gunners, 150 handlanger.

What I’d read didn’t mention heavy guns, so I’d assumed this was a 6 pounder battery.  Seems not.

“were each brought to an establishment of two Battery [Batareinaya, meaning Heavy or Positional] companies and “

The original separation of the words ‘Battery’ before the explanatory Russian and ‘company ‘ after seems to cause a problem for readers. Whilst I have some of the pieces, for reasons I’ve highlighted elsewhere, I can’t obtain the heavy 12 pounders of the same brand.

Part Two

That portion of research relating to the ‘unicorns’ seems misleading but has been cleared up. The allusion ot the 1757 models having something to do with those in use in Napoleonic times is erroneous. Why then shown or talk about them in the same context. If the device was dropped (some say within months of effective issue) in that era, let it stay there. Its technical and unique assessment being negative, it apparently had no lineage to those normal unicorns used later on.

Clarification appears in https://www.thewargameswebsite.com/forums/topic/on-canister/ and https://www.thewargameswebsite.com/forums/topic/howitzers-long-and-short-technical-question/ .

cheers dave

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Wow thats pretty bad alright Mike.

Those who attack so quickly are typical perpetrators and dodgers I’ve seen in the past, but never to that level. And to the contrary, over a long period I had some excellent contacts online and others in person locally.

However the trend I’ve suffered leaves a cold shiver with you- why would you do so much to disenfranchise people who WANT TO give you money. And I really want to get these units finished one day.

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dave

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First, a repeat___

I’ll also add today that at the end of July Monsieur Frederic Berjaud again mainly for 1813/14 period but there are other earlier dates among the much fewer additions this time.

The many regimental histories have been updated: http://frederic.berjaud.free.fr/articles_en_ligne.htm “Liste des articles en ligne”.

In other news, while searching for a particularly obscure title (which I did not locate) I found these which appear of interest:

“Dictionnaire historique des batailles, siéges et combats de terre et de mer qui ont eu lieu pendant la révolution française ; avec une table chro…”

https://tinyurl.com/Dictionnairebatailles

You will need to access and download each volume separately. Note these are ‘by name’ and therefore A-Z.

An interesting index  for:

Le Château de Saint-Cloud, son incendie en 1870. Inventaire des oeuvres d’art détruites ou sauvées… / Marius Vachon

https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k6465877p?rk=214593;2

Given it records documents post-Napoleon that are documented, other copies may be found by this useful historical reference.

Note that to be more useful, the OCR text versions of these historic books are often available too!

Enjoy the research,

regards davew

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I can see the trend here. Let me say, there’s a distinct difference, that has been exacerbated by D&D types formats and shortening of attnetions spans/ instant gratification over the years.

There are those of us who prefer to ‘model’. Thats means taking the time to research (probably) and produce realistic figures, terrain and scnery. Nowadays the mode has moved to quick and dirty- from board games/ chess/ unpainted plastic DD and is so much less ‘modelling’ than just that- a coded pseudo-scientific assessment of any given era.

I broke the mould here in the 80’s with coloured shaped hills, not terraces, and used more ‘to scale’ model railway designed trees of better design (Heki) than the patches of green cloth or orchard farms that were promoted as ‘gaming’ terrain.Ditto a few buildings etc.

The plethora of ‘package’ games and armies doesn’t excite me one bit. If it’s for others, have at it- I’ll stick to flocking, colouring and achieving some semblence of  ‘recognition’ on what I’m displaying.

cheers d

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In view of the IT problems experienced [trying to ‘edit’ a posted topic] I’ll just try throwing the ‘from behind’ view up now as a separate post- done very quickly…

davew

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Weary of the ‘old’ commands and gaming generalship, and of course encouraged by gamers using advanced modelling artistic licence, I decided to produce my own senior command scenery as well.

A vignette for a particular instance- Marshal Davouts early morning arrival near Austerlitz. Why him? Well I could spin a yarn, but I’ve made myself a golden rule- no troops without commanders ANY MORE! [Had far to many in the old days].

So when my ‘New Right Wing’ started to take form, enthused very much by Bob Goetz new (now old) Austerlitz 1805, I challenged myself to produce a ‘draft’ version of what my ultimate commands would look like.

Thus the Marshal, lain in wait for 3 decades to get a job [ie beyond a cosmetic paint job), has been customised (Minifgs) and had a core of ‘support’ added. Not your usual officer laden bumph- his younger brother was a Colonel and ADC; an escort from the 1er Dragons, both a trumpeter for signalling and a veteran acting as close defense with musket ready; and a ‘Polish’ liaison officer who acted as local interpreter, and/ or knew the geography well to act as guide.

Thus at some 7:30am on December 2 1805, the marshal halts at a stream bank to observe events before crossing. Apologies it has no depth of field to clearly show the figures that are, 99% finished with a few touch ups to follow.

A shot from the back gives a clearer view of the elements involved:

==>> 502 Bad Gatewaycloudflare so pic wont load right now.

regards -dave

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NB- Finally got IT problems sorted and a coincidental sunny day allowed me to partake of some old glory.

Not new figures, the same old regime (ie 1970s) of figures but my Allied Cavalry Division -using the figures assembled by original owner, not an OB- as painted in 1990’s.

First Austria, a limited selection:-

IMG_6091_sm Austrian Kurassier Regt ©dww_2022

Next- Prussia:-

1- Hussars

IMG_6092_sm ©dww_2022 #2 Silesian Hussars Regt 1813.

2- Silesian Landwehr

IMG_6097_sm dww_2022 Regt #8 Silesian Landwehr 1813.

3- Prussian Regular Uhlans (two units- unnamed).

IMG_6099_sm ©dww_2022 Prussian Uhlans 1813

Russia:-

1- Kiev Dragoon Regiment

IMG_6095_sm ©dww_2022 Russian Kiev Dragoons 1813.

2- Ukraine Cossack Horde [3 polks].

IMG_6100_ ©dww 2022- Ukraine Cossacks.

3- #1 Cossack Polk

IMG_6102_sm ©dww 2022 #1 Polk Ukraine Cossacks.

4- #2 Cossack Polk

IMG_6103_sm ©dww 2022 #2 Polk Ukraine Cossacks.

5- #3 Cossack Polk

IMG_6104_sm ©dww 2022 #3 Polk Ukraine Cossacks

by DaveW, on Flickr.

To view the full stream go:- https://flic.kr/ps/FZYRs

Thanks for viewing, regards, davew

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Looks good and reads well Norm.

I agree setting up table-top games from boardgame design is the way to go.

Friends and I played such out a long time ago (using my umpiring/ ref’ing) as a construct to obfuscate their general knowledge of events. Two Friday nighters lasted till 1am or so to conclude.

cheers dave

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That’s interesting Jonathan. I’m not au fait with Finland war at all. Has there ever been a decent text on the ‘other’ wars that Russia under Alexander progressed outside ‘the French’?

I’ve taken to the Russian interests because I disliked the inconsistency and somewhat hollow nature of existing literature and historians. In that if I’m going to bother to model something now- while not as detailed as my French (1805-07) I at least want to participate in a ‘revival’ which is sorely lacking on this side of the planet.

With that in mind, I’m enjoying the detail and frank assessment within Duffys ‘Eagles over the Alps’ recently reprinted.

regards davew

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Jonathan Gingerich wrote:

Yes, the Uglich regiment….. Not sure what you are seeing regarding the miter plates, as the links don’t get there, but some were painted. Look at Viskovatov.

 

OK sorry about that- I’ve never seen anything deleted from pintrest before: which however is why I usually capture images I want for reference: here it is with original posted title:

The second? With bullet and perhaps cannister damage (the irregular holes?):

Many thanks Jonathan for replying; I’ve been offline for 30 hours due to a much needed reconstruction of my Macbook!

cheers davew

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OotKust wrote:

Couple of quick questions. I note “Yakov Otroshenko” – Staff Captain Otroshenko commanded a company in the 7th Jager Regiment.” mentioned this unit nearby: “Uglitskii Musketeer Regiment” Excerpt From: Alexander Mikaberidze. “Russian Eyewitness Accounts of the Campaign of 1807.” iBooks. Can’t make a logical regiment we’d recognise (nor can Russian translators!).

OK apart from reading I had time to go hunt an answer for myself. Care of  Diego_Bozzolan ‘Infantry 1800-1812; IMPERIAL RUSSIAN ARMY-‘ pdf copy I found under Paul I establishment Musketeer Regiments:

Gersdorfa [Gersdorf’s] (formerly the Uglitskii [Uglich].

Really interesting to read that a name/ title, temporarily changed back then under Paul, was still vernacular in 1807 to another units officer 5 years along the next regime!

cheers dave

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And another subject: We’re somewhat customised [as gamers] to seeing or reading about Russian fleches; minor field works erected to protect forward positions and disrupt enemy attacks.

But really apart from Borodino- is there a count of how many and when/ where they were otherwised employed?

Too late, I’ve already started some modest terrain pieces, but I have to ask.

thanks davew

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And perhaps even more impressive (with clear close range bullet or canister?? holes):

-one I’d ascribe to a senior Grenadier regiment, perhaps the Ukraine Inspection if thats ‘rose’ red? A fusilier mitre or is that cloth just a bit too close, and its a Grenadier that lost its pompom?

Click on posters name and get a whole lot more mitres of vaious kinds, but not a few Russian niceties 🙂

~d

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Hi,

sorry I’ve been so tardy, although I’ve shot some new pics I then found that an inadvertent software update has again stopped my iPhone from syncing to Mac (the port is blocked) so I’ll need to work on this first.

Bloody tech can be a PIA! ~d

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Now- thoroughly enjoying the book often as my wake up breakfast reading in lieu of news etc.

Been fascinating to see the campaign detail and know Suvorovs thoughts on a lot of life and military- I can say without too much doubt as errudite as Napoleon, but without the ritual editing that went on. Very many commentators amongst the Russian and Austrian, commanders and commoners alike.

His strategic acumen and personal bravery, not to mention charity when possible, ably shown by Duffy and I’ve only reached the middle of the book (ie Italy). That he was hobbled by dilatory political fighting and ‘Imperiousness’ was a sad indictment on ‘Allies’ strategies.

His striking command over his cossack regiments who clearly were personally devoted to him- his charsimatic leadership making them do things because he knew they could, completely outweighs the criticisms of distant and uninvolved Austrians.

I can see, the latter, had the same simplistic approach to war, enemy and strategy in all their campaigns, and the continuum of 1799, became 1800 (Hohenlinden particularly- they nearly had Alessandria- Marengo), then 1805 through the cronyist command structure under a distrusting monarch.

Duffy’s Eagles Over The Alps is a tribute to his professional work ethics , being larger format, bigger maps* and a few more years research of authentic original sources, and a handsome addition beside Austerlitz 1805 which still is the basis of any research later.

regards davew

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Thanks muchly, have passed on ! :-))

 

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Wonderful Jonathon,

Is this another example of a non-Emperors Body Guard unit?.

Good too maybe see a mystery solved, or at least explained in part. Coincidentally 12 hours ago a kiwi friend in UK sent pics of the W.Foundry  Cossack Garde models, and asked me if they carried their Vexillum. I suggested not, but don’t know any better either.

And no I’m not painting any Russian horse guards-never!

*I had thought “with complications of transliteration nomenclature, is it the Chevalier Garde or is that the ‘Horse Leib-Gd’?”

Regards, davew

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Any  relation to Sir Basil Brush…???

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😉 take the FRP route and create options and criteria along the way-

write down the results of dicing/ chance  etc but don’t resolve them until its time to move that force.

Alternately, or in sync, write a long list of options for troop ‘strategic movement’ and using %% dice, my preference – and use the page numbers as a rerference, kind of like a code book. you can use campaign rules, or a real historical treatise. That way you have no direct impact on ‘decisions’.

cheers d

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Greystreak wrote:

The Shuvalov “secret howitzer” and the Danilov-designed ‘unicorn’ were two different guns, with only the latter enjoying a long service life.

Thanks Greystreak- I’ll admit to thinking I saw lineage there but now, no. So really, nothing in ‘Napoleonics’ has anything to do with said machines and their mention should be excised completely. I was hornsswoggled I say!

What I can say that isn’t at all clear, and is deliberately leading to further confusion, is the notion that Arakcheevs ‘modernised’ materiel called ‘1805’ actually came into army hands and was used when…? well outside my era of interest (Rev#2 -1805-1807max) anyway.

Summerfields books give huge amounts of technical data, but seem to miss that such is a vital consideration to some. In reference to same, he once wrote:

The 20-pdr had the same calibre length as the AnXI 24-pdr howitzer. Both were far superior to the Gribeauval Howitzer that ceased to be used by about 1800 by the French.

So if them Frenchies ceased to employ said Gribeauval; and AnXI  being 1803; and were barely ‘tested’ within two years, what would they have used in 1805? Are all the army returns wrong? Was it a typo? Doesn’t seem possible, but this is what we are left with.

This [subject matter] sits up there with ‘French voltigeurs formed in Sept.1805; Austrian German infantry getting shakoes in 1805; Brit Navy Captains tea parties curtailled after Nelson died etc… and all regulations were instantly implemented’– yeah right!

On a serious note, thanks for the links. Hadn’t seen either of those before, and in N-S ever gets serious, or even professional help, the web site will be dangerous. [Not holding breath on that one either…]

cheers dave

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Ripsnorting stuff!

Yes its on Page 247- the first continous paragrph from p246 on ‘Effects of Ammo’. I’d thought I’d seen the reference far earlier in the book; but perhaps my skim reading got me carried away.

 

As well, didn’t the Russians have a gun with an oval bore,…?

Yes that Shuvalovs 1757 model ‘Unicorn’ gun/howitzers, though I’m not explicitly sure it was to increase spread rather than range. Internally they had an oval powder chamber, not round, that helped increase pressure, and therefore ranges slightly.

I see there is an error page from Summerfield regarding the book but there is no mention of the canister issue,

Aww c’mon, throw us old dogs a bone… any errata corrections greatly appreciated; tho I didn’t read too much to grumble about in the book otherwise, which I’d not be confident in saying about other tomes.

The film is interesting, but at 0º firing elevation it appears. Certainly would have been an interesting review of impact, spread and height distribution. It seems a lot of the impact was ground level bounce judging by the ‘spurts’ of dust thrown up. Is there an elaboration on leg injuries in AWC battles? Getting ankle tapped would be enough to reduce numbers,

cheers d

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Surely the Ermine Street Guard are your friends and knowledge base?

Personally IME, if you use soft lamb or pig fat on your outside tools, they retain a sliver of grease that keeps steel/ iron compound tooling useful for years- especially the joint/ rotation keys rather better than man made oils. And shiny and clean. Too much? Wipe over a few times and of course, don’t smear the handles! Doh!!!

dave

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it is a historical one

it is AN historical one… fair enough, but the reason these things fail is like refights- trying to follow the exact original often leads to the complexity and disappointment of failure/ early termination. {Strictly IMHO of course}.

Which bizarrely is why I’ve endured with using Empire Campaign Rule System off and on over the 30-40 years I’ve owned it. Succinct, relevant and suitably wholesome in almost every area of strategic management.

As you note with suitable maps, you can do anything. Go find hex/ grid overlay plastic sheets, or print your own. You want as many as necessary for separated forces and removable marker pens.

One of my campaigns we passed an A4 envelope at meets to convey ‘hidden’ movement between the players* (I was also umpire/ referee) and those who failed to follow rules of supply often found themselves well short of materiel with which to fight!

*The sheet inside being the clear plastic showing their movements along with order sheets and ‘calculations’ for supply needs, or establishing depots etc.

I personally think using the historical campaign as a basis is fine; but you need to diverge from the ‘recreation’ mode in order to get satisfying new adventures. Don’t play to get the same big battles. Play the small contacts and side issues and see a more fluid approach to the era.

FWIW, good luck cheers dave

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Silly people… and I’m reading this near to midnite.. ohhh blahh…

 

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Ok, I had to search around and extract the figures, and realised I had one of them in work-in-progress modification going on (this is why I now have to keep a project diary of ideas, planning and completions)!

I’d only taken sample shots after adding a sash to an Imperial  Guard mounted colonel, so here he is. The subtelty of the shading and colours used is a bit washed out by over exposure. So I’ve added the full resolution original pic (iPhone)  next up on Flickr so you can examine in high detail. This photo on Flickr has comment that explains the rest, I trust.

IMG_5268_ GBD Hulin_

by DaveW, on Flickr.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/45265598@N00/albums -Main Page.

I’m still a bit busy after the flooding damage and what with eye surgery review etc. will get to the balance of figures ‘if’ we have some nice sunny weather tomorrow.

cheers  dave

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hi Hideyoshi,

yes I will but will be another 12 hours before I can do anything. Although not as devastating as the major flood damage we’ve had here; our dwelling has leaked in the torrential rain and due to its location we only discovered it at midnight last night. I have a bit of work to occupy me with stripping our possessions out, sorting and taking to laundromat some severely wet linen etc. Catch you later, davew

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hi,

Can’t help with technique but I have 40-50 yo figures painted in oils (all Hinchliffe 25mm IIRC) that I must get based and vignettes done along with my minifigs minions. They were ‘gifted’ by the artist as he moved into other periods and wanted the display space free. he was quite accomplished, and something of a casual ‘artist’ as well,

cheers

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>>I never thought about comparing wargaming and eating oysters, I must think about it. Do you eat bread covered with salted butter and drink white wine while wargaming?

We have (or rather had…) an abundant coast line all around our little islands covered in all kinds of shellfish. Personally from a young age I found them utterly revolting! Very happy to walk, swim, collect etc. but unlike my parents, never eat. The best seafood I found has been greek or chinese style squid, plain and smoked salmon.

My what a thread drift. Yes we too made our non-club meets ‘social’ and gracious with half time beers for some; mediterranean diet snacks and humus, brown/ grain breads and savoury biscuits and cheeses.

Naturally we have no Chablis nor Sauternes present (unless saluting someone), but an abundance of New Zealand wines and varietals to match the best!

Santé !

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Contrary to popular misconceptions, there was an ‘Italy’ before 1805 (ie decree/ enlargement of the ‘Kingdom’) and several known Armées d’Italie.

If you have frequented the site http://www.histunif.com/index.htm in the past you will have seen a motley collection of text and illustrations, based around “troops of the Italian republics between 1796 and 1805 and that of the Kingdom of Italy”.

The dot.com version is being phased out in favour of a reorganised, regenerated and much better resourced https://histunif.fr/, which while itself has been around a while, hasn’t been populated until quite recently.

Now proudly proclaiming “HISTORY AND UNIFORMS OF ITALIAN TROOPS 1796-1814” it indeed has upped its game and JP PERCONTE is to be commended.

I already satisfied two minor distractions and skimmed the site to know it is vastly improved. While it still uses ‘frames’ to organise pages, a lot more illustrations have enlargements.

All in all a very useful update, given the spread of warcraft in the region. I note that from Duffys’ Eagles over the Alps that the Piedmontaise rebelled rather quickly in 1799 against the French ‘Republic’ and sympathisers when the Austrians and Russians came knocking again. So reprisals and civil war was enjoined a second time and not to be reliquished for quite a few years (post 1806 in fact).

I’ll also add today that at the end of July Monsieur Frederic Berjaud again mainly for 1813/14 period, many regimental histories have been updated: http://frederic.berjaud.free.fr/articles_en_ligne.htm “Liste des articles en ligne”.

Enjoy the research,

regards davew

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Yes, all the above.

Being sick as a kid, it also gave interest to those days between the sunny ones. If I played soccer in Winter, I always got wet, then sick…

d

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Thanks I did scan it (otherwise busy) and its nice to see another mould-breaking mythbusting of the Superman Wellington ideals.

Blücher did pretty well for his age and condition; given he was charging against Prussia (mistreated for being merely a ‘Pomeranean Swede’) originally.

I’ve always had respect for the man, eccentric or not. The bio I read a few years back gave an exhaustive chapter or two on his leadership of the Red Hussars 1794 Campaign. No lesser man than Kellerman or Lasalle could have done the same.

cheers dave

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Patrice wrote:

Thanks all for these ideas.

OotKust wrote:

the North Eastern forests were/ are very dense as well

Well, yes certainly. What I meant is, in our original ruleset there was only one kind of forest, it was dense forest….  I know deciduous (deciduous, is that the word? I’ve learned something) forests near my home which are quite open and easy terrain…

Ahh yes context is everything Patrice. Doesn’t matter how you model the ‘trees; just make sure you clearly define as open/ closed/ dense at the beginning of games and what those terms cover.

“Deciduous” yes- decidedly!

European ‘forest’ tend to be [near settlements] manicured entities compared to natural bush of NA. (And around here…)

A long range view of my ‘scenic based’ trees on left and back- both pine and deciduous (with removebale coloured lichen at edges of ‘woods shaped feature’ felt)- all made 20+ years ago- compared to my friends who cant even be bothered to paint their bases at all!

regards ;p)

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Guy Farrish wrote:

I wonder how widespread this myth is? It’s certainly in Chandler (1966)… Ian Castle’s ‘Austerlitz: Napoleon and the Eagles of Europe’ (2005) specifically mentions and refutes it,…

Alexander’s overenthusiastic amateur ideas of moving Russian armies about, messing Kutuzov around and Austrian class ridden bickering and inability to work out what was actually happening (with friend and foe alike) as opposed to what they wanted to happen have left more of an impression on me than calendars. Maybe that’s just me? (Mack thought he was facing about 80,000 at most, according to Duffy – more fingers for generals required?)

Thanks Guy for your thoughts and due diligence.

Well the fact that so many address it means it is in the ‘historical conscience’ and still gets air time I read elsewhere. And those troll-like Russian sites that sift information from all over repeat it so it affects the ground base of readers.

I don’t have Castle at all so hadn’t seen that analysis.

I 100% agree with your synopsis of the ‘Allied’ effort- the pure double-dealing of all [self interested] parties added to the longevity of N. accomplishments. His own of course sped his downfall.

I’ve had to educate my own cadre on the ‘better’ quality of ‘allied soldiers’ than we’ve believed from summary judgements ‘a la orspreyz’ etc. and the greater impact of political nepotism and interference of commanders, which of course isn’t that translatable to satisfactory gaming tables.

regards dave

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Hi guys, given that unexpected events always happen- we are left wondering where such an ‘excuse’ has arisen in ‘English only’ it seems. I would think Dave Hollins also could have crossed over archival material as he was deeply involved in Austrian K-K research.

cheers, dave

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Hi Patrice,

not sure why you think of only pine for FIW- the North Eastern forests were/ are very dense as well- although its filmed in North Carolina, see the ‘forest’ in Last of the Mohicans to see what the existing national parks are like around Massechusetts (ie Boston) and Vermont.

Thats why its ‘Indian’ country! No seriously, I was impressed- near Concorde I walked into a trail that was there; a distnce of 5 m into the woods and you could not see the trail I had come from. A row of indians would have been impossible to see.

I do realise you want ‘foot room’ for the figures, but ‘open’ they are not.

Yes- heavy cardboard or edge sanded MDF, topped with a ripple of wall plaster and coloured dark will suit nicely.

regards dave

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Hi guys,

well as alluded to I have little to do with IOs as such now, but I have 40 years experience with Macs going back to my very first- a second hand Mac I bought (50% deposit on $2k) in 1990. Ironically or not, it was wp on a book- some Napoleonic rules!

Anyway, I was an active Mac-Advocate (even tho I had to use PeeCees [Wondoze] at work)… supporting new users and troubleshooting.

My only IOs is an already aged (like me) iPhone5S and I virtually never use it for webbing…

But yes strange things do happen- software glitches when old settings are re-used; and Appl / Safari is known for its ‘modern’ outlook to block privacy invasive web-toads. Frankly I found it so invasive on even my old MacBook I downgraded my copy and refuse it the right to update.

Which is also one of the reasons I use a variety of different browsers to separate various aspects of web life from one another. [Unrelated RANT- It’s bad enough that companies like Appl and Guugla/ FarczBuk think they must control users; worse that they do so for often nefarious reasons and invasion of privacy beyond one wants to offer. /RANT].

cheers d

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Aggregate ! Aggregate ! Aggregate ! Exterminate!!! 

If you ‘Aggregate’ enough, Pomme Dauphinoise just becomes mashed potatoes!

 

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I might still twist the tale to do that, it might be curtains for one of them!

Surely diplomacy will out before the curtain falls??

Or is this a /BorisJ/ moment? cheers dave

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