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I did see a rather natty use of floor vinyl for swamp, it was just cut to shape and plonked on the TT but the pattern and the colour were perfect, a bit of floor polish for shine and some vegetation, viola. Swamp was my immediate thought after woodland.

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We do with larger terrain tiles often enough ……so …..why has it taken you so long to think of little woodland tiles. Your taking far too long to come up with simple, great and versatile ideas Malcolm? We, the lazy and not so bright wargamers, demand you pull your finger out.

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malc johnston wrote:

Very nice Will, vineyards – never made these before i might give it a go, thanks for the effort and idea

*gasp* Must be one of the few things you haven’t turned your hand to Malc

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First run boxed set of AD&D, The Battle of Fontenoy (Charles Grant) a history and how to set up for a game and Lace Wars parts 1 and 2 by Lil and Fred Funken. All were found in a box which hadn’t been unpacked after two house shifts and all were/are in pristine condition thanks to the box being thought to contain mundanery …..and my thinking that the books and rules had been well and truly lost to the ages. I still beam thinking about when they were discovered.

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No designs on the shields, get back and finish them properly

Pretty cool looking army…..

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A Lot of Gaul wrote:

The first miniatures wargaming rulebook I fell in love with was The Ancient War Game by Charles Grant. Published in 1974, Mr. Grant’s book was clearly and cleverly written, nicely illustrated, professionally published, and hard bound. From his book I also found that I had a strong preference for rule sets that are results-oriented rather than process-driven, and that read more like cheerful conversations than technical manuals. 

His 18thC rules “The War Game” had a very similar affect on me, clearly explained chapters with historical references and game play examples. As you said, cheerfully conversational, with a demo game at midpoint to cover the rules thus far. It was like learning war gaming from your favourite uncle, no ruleset has come close to capturing my attention since, I make a point of reading these rules every couple of years just for the fun of it.

Impetus makes for a decent set of rules, chapters fall into place nicely each covering a section of gameplay without too much cross referencing (unless necessary). The only problem was the translation from Italian to English which, as one would expect, led to some head scratching but an interpretive reread or quick Q and A on their forum or facebook page clarified any issues with language.

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….with just a drop of Southern Comfort for Cajun warmth.

Now why would I own all three?

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It is what it is and as diverse as those that wish to partake.

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Mike wrote:

  We have as members: Standard: 3263 Sponsor: 63 Trader: 68 I suspect about 100 of those Standard members are extra accounts people have and some spam bot accounts.

Great stuff, critical mass cant be far away. Enjoying the diversity, the scifi chaps have some really interesting and quite cool posts/gamey things, I’m not for conversion however there are some interesting reads and eye candy.

@ t’other Mike; I think I will stick to getting my cheap thrills via Tumbler

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teppsta wrote:

Paintpig that’s a good point. Are we just seeing the GW generation preferring to play skirmish games rather than big tabletop battles since it is more closely linked to the 40k experience? And I can’t really think of any Ancients skirmish games – they tend to be Horse and Musket or later.

I see a lot of games at open days that I didn’t now existed (a wonderful modern pulp-ish skirmish for one) and both the kids and 20 somethings are there in numbers. War games isn’t dying they’re there, it’s gaming Jim, but not as we know it.

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Impossible to change it and personally I wouldn’t want to, it is the only period other than 18thC to capture my imagination, as far as gaming is concerned, with any real ferocity.

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I have no idea Mike, I doubt that wargaming is dying in my own country. The focus is changing, we all saw how GW was the starting point for the noobs back when and I’m pretty sure there are other newer genres and game systems to capture the imagination of the young’uns nowadays.

No not dying, we are just out of touch with the latest thang. Everything has it’s day and I suspect ancients will come around again.

BTW I knew a guy….

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It’s too late now, I’m going to have a permanent pout for the rest of the day… *sob*

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Once again no favourites, but… the but.  Most of my war gaming efforts have been directed towards 18thC however they are now in cryosleep while I spread my gaming wings. I have no real interest in collecting ancients or medieval but I have always found the “Dark Age” fascinating and with rules such as SAGA and Impetus I have found myself slowly buying and painting figures for Saxons, Vikings, Carolingians, Normans and Romano British. My Vikings are destined for the Great Heathen army, or gang, or loose confederation of thugs with the Normans (the other confederation of thugs) being angled towards the South and the Kingdom of Sicily. I seems my preferred armies have a leaning towards the thuggish … weird?

BTW Saxon miniatures is operated by the original GB sculptor

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You didn’t say you missed me

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To further add to my previous comment; painting endless yards of chain mail is as boring as bat shit.

Normans good

Painting chain mail bad

The cavalry weren’t so bad due to the ‘orses breaking up the monotony but the infantry…….. 

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All sorts of Dark Age shite, mostly Normans just now. Painting with an eye to moving them on but I’m having all sorts of trouble with bursts of depression which sort of buggers up the painting genie, just have to pick my good days carefully

Doing heaps of research on Italo Sicilian Normans and the Saracens which comprised the bulk of RodgerII and Williams army, sifting through changes in armour and dress etc. That is where I hope to put my efforts in next year.

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A tad more to Aella, think the fox pelt cloak is as good as I can manage. Trust a fruit fly to land just as I take a photo…

 

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Been working on some Normans lately though I did take a significant break for the last 3 months, trouble with the black dog. Still a few touches left to clean them up before they go onto an Impetus base. Crusader Miniatures.

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Nice one Kyote, good read ol’boy.

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A cheat huh? Nothing worse than getting rumbled by the trouble and strife.

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I take it you found it then? The RSS widget, you will need to install the widget for each feed you wish to show. To find the rss or atom feed is usually pretty easy unless the site has deliberately deleted them from being shown. Stick with WP it is very versatile (particularly the themes) once you get your head around it.

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I have this feature, hang tight and I will check which widget you need. From memory you will need to obtain the feed url but none of this is overly difficult, hell I did it!

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Definitely you….

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An interesting and enjoyable mix of architecture but of course you should have realised if you build a road, traffic is sure to follow

This is just dead brill, great effort Etranger it gets double fist!

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The bush wars commence, oooo’ra. I hope your steering clear of the refuge camps?

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I was listening to a psychiatrist discussing adult colouring-in books this week and the meditation like benefits of relaxing your brain and giving the real world a miss for a few hours, it occurred that painting my toys, for me at least, plays a very similar role. So yes I enjoy painting, I’m pretty slow but getting the job done in a certain time doesn’t factor in for the most part. I do remember well when It was more of a chore, getting three battalions done for the next game in a week sort of thing. Nowadays I just cant be bothered with that nonsense, if I “need” to get figures painted I opt for a time friendly shading technique, still paint the same relaxed speed but I get a few more figures out. Getting back to the OP I completely disagree that painting is the most important part of the hobby, as mentioned above gaming is the most important part of …..gaming, although as I have hinted I find painting probably comes close to the most relaxing “me time” part of our hobby.

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Lovely job on a rarely seen regulation uniform, good gaming with your boomerang troops.

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Yeah they look great really very neat modelling, now for some cross border shenanigans 

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Specialist pages are great for those who are already in a scene and for those that are contemplating, Ive found with, using yahoo groups as a good example, they can be very limiting.

Your example above is dangerous what with Napoleonic’s being famously inflammatory, but that aside, a member would be able to get access to all the information they like on 6mm Naps. and share aar’s, scenery builds and painting tips etc. but discussion on warfare, tactics and things like unit histories etc would be limited to only those with an interest in 6mm Naps. To answer your OP more directly, yes I guess a group does insulate itself but I think that is the whole point it is looking to confine it’s discussion to a particular subject, similar to a particular board of a general forum. Of course on a general forum every member can pop in to have a look at a particular board and therefore the word gets spread around. We need to take a look at who sets up a specialist group over a general group, they are two different people/mindsets with different goals.

Unintelligible warbling over. 

 

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You gotta watch those drummers, next they will be thinking they are musicians. Great work Ray.

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I’m not a sci-fi gamer or collector but obviously I see the figures and pay attention to them, when I wrote above..

“I call the decline in the amount of lumps and bumps on the figure a maturing of technology in the world they inhabit”

I was referring to the world around us now, as many of you have also suggested the look is a reflection of the times, I see technology as sleeker than ever  thanks to the incredible pace of electronic design/miniaturization. In the not so long past we noted miniaturization because tech had lumps and bumps over it to accommodate “those things” that make up a particular piece of equipment, the lumps and bumps become progressively sleeker and barely noticeable so barely noticeable that when they disappear altogether it takes a while for us to register. Anyway that is my take, I didn’t really think of it as anime styling but I see the connection. I guess some companies and their customers prefer their models to have that vastly over compensated angular look with bits bolted and welded on all over the shop ,which is great too, however the sleek thang would be my thing if I ever.

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Oh yes, very nice job. The timber and iron painting is very effective and some very tidy crew.

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Full on, I’ve really enjoyed reading through your batreps. Moderns aren’t my thing but I  appreciate your taking the time to post what was an enjoyable read.

Oh no Kyote, the red menace victorious!

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Nicely done ol’boy

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I dont feel like painting today and as I have been reading this debate with interest I would thought I shall add my two cents worth….. or should that be ten cents?

I for one feel that entry is becoming too expensive, and for context our household would be above average income. I think it would be safe to say that the vast majority of people first become engaged with a hobby in their early teens with adult entry more often than not being a rediscovering after dropping out of  a particular scene, a working adult probably wouldn’t balk at  the expense of getting back into war gaming. If we take the view that entry is by people in their early teens then yes it is expensive and a section of the hobby should be skewed towards making the point that entry is accessible and affordable. Of course a counter argument would be that GW directly targets this market, their products are probably the most expensive and yet they are successful, go figure. I know my parents wouldn’t have forked out that sort of pocket money (comparatively) when I was a kid. So repeating my observation above, maybe the industry doesn’t do a good enough job at selling the fact that you can get started in war gaming at a modest cost, it has skewed expectation. I might start a separate thread on a few thoughts I have on this subject which aren’t necessarily appropriate in this discussion.

I have to say from the outset I found Repiques first reply a little inflammatory (I assume not deliberately) and certain to provoke a response, however he expressed his opinion and view of the hobby and who would want it any other way. Of course this leads to some defensiveness but we are passionate hobbyists with varying view points and the fact we can be adult about the subject rather underlines what TWW is about. Lets continue to leave our superiority complexes at the door.

I’ve rambled long enough, hopefully it made some sense…. I had a knock on the head last night.

 

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Thanks Rod the flesh is from Reaper Master Series tanned skin triad which is my “go to” set (with adjustments if needed) and I make a wash of a dark tan to glaze over, so effectively this is a little darker than the paint out of the bottle. The fur is giving me trouble, I wanted to do a fox pelt but my eyes aren’t up to shading it properly so I might have to change it…. and I stuffed up the pattern of the fur. And no not all of my painting is to this standard I liked the figure and wanted to make a show piece.

Norm Footsore have a couple of character sets that are beautifully sculpted, just superb and well worth the money, I would have bought them even if I wasn’t into the period. I’ll add that Saxon Miniatures (new company) also do some really beautiful Dark Age and late Roman figures that are a must have if it is your thing.

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I guess I should post some photo’s, in the future I’ll save some work as TWW exclusive

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Well Rod the easiest way to post pictures is to open a photo bucket account, from there any number of us can help you out both with up loading your photo’s to photo bucket which is as easy as drag and drop and then posting a link here which more or less makes your photo’s appear just like magic.

First task is to open a Photo Bucket account, so hop to it.

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Good point Norm and there are no prizes for guessing who you refer to Sparker…. I noted a chap who comes across as a stalker of certain individuals, seems to be expert on driving people “away”  and that did lower my spirits slightly.

As far as the gallery is concerned, well it was just an idea, not set in stone. I guess I was thinking more as a display case proposition let people show off their uber work and talk about painting and I dont mean pro painted quality more like the best that we can do without snobbery. Maybe a friendly comp would tie in nicely?

Anyway I leave it for the membership to discuss and Mike to decide of course, throw some ideas around see what sticks to the wall

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