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Wasn’t there a participation game using Action Men that did the rounds of the shows some (probably lots, my sense of the recent past is badly skewed) years ago?
But it has not changed, you have always been able to use any figures with any rules, that was kind of my point. So when people make a big thing of saying stuff like ‘you can use any figures with MY rules’, well yeah, ofc, your rules and all the other rules… It is this notion that somehow their rules are unique in this aspect, when it really very isn’t.
Given the questions on some forums, it is clear that some people need telling this though. They have perhaps followed a route into wargaming via one of the prescriptive rules sets that say you must use the specific variety of 36.5mm Space Womble that only has three skullz on the left shoulder pad, and that the 36.75mm one with four skullz is now no longer usable. I often see similar questions about size of figures. “Will these rules work with 15mm/18mm/43.65421mm figures?” is not an uncommon question. I figure that if the rules say stuff like that, I can nod sagely and smugly say, “Yes. I know that.” and skip quickly over it to the important parts of the rules. It’s not relevant to me, but might be useful to others. If they are presenting this as a unique feature, I think it suggests that the rules write has come via one of the prescriptive routes too.
Looking at these I am thinking they are more suited for skirmish games as not sure how massed units would look side on and I prefer Peter Dennis style with close order face on.
I agree. Given that these are for solo play in the pleasure of my own home, using WSS figures versus SYW figures is not an issue either; the aesthetics of the unit facing are more important to me.
Thank you. I found the SYW stuff and am more tempted by the WSS stuff because it is not individual figures. Seeing the layout of a single unit pack really helps me understand what is going on with their packaging, and makes it easier to plan a purchase. I had not realised that those images were on the site, because it was not immediately obvious that I could click to get more pics.
Hmm, I am muchly tempted, especially after looking back and seeing your previous post on them and realising how little work I would have to do to get an army into the field. And I do need an opposing force for my SYW Swedish army …
How well would these fit, sizewise, against 15mm Freikorps figures, do you think?
Am I right in thinking that each unit is 5 bases, so you would get 2 units per pack of infantry?
My SYW Swedes are based on 30×30 for Maurice with four bases per unit, and I would need about 6 units each of foot and horse plus maybe 6 artillery pieces and then some commanders on top of that. I’m trying to work out what would be my best options for getting that without too much wastage. Would one of the starter sets cover me, do you think?
Wow didn’t realise North Ferriby local teams badge was similar to Great Grimsby towns crest.
Crikey, it really is. I had to check because I had never noticed that. Now there’s an excuse for a medieval scrap: the long-running feud between two barons over who stole whose crest. It could be even worse and longer running than the one stemming from the time when Prince von Kurzenhosen took the Marquis van Dal’s mistress off for a picnic to teach her how to play the bagpipes.
I don’t know where you live, Matilda, but your mention of O-levels suggests the UK. One idea for painting the English force would be to pick something local to you. The village where I lived in England had a lovely map of the village on the side of the Post Office which included shields with the coats of arms of local lords. I always thought it would be nice to set a little game in the village with these lords contesting against each other. If you live anywhere like that or have an attachment to a place like that you could always build your English force based on local contingents to make the army more personal. Or based on the local sports club’s colours …
Would Victory: World War II from Columbia Games fit your needs? It uses WW2 units on geomorphic maps so you are not constrained by the history. The rules and scenario book are free to download if you feel like checking it out.
I know what you mean. VASSAL took me a while to get my confidence with, although it’s mostly fairly intuitive. There’s a user guide if you want to read that first. That said, I mainly learnt how to use it by downloading a module and just playing around with it. Given that it is free, you lose nothing but time trying it out.
I’ve struggled with TTS but should probably bite the bullet and actually read the manual. I have a feeling that might help!
Good luck with however you choose to go on this.
In addition to TTS, you could always play via VASSAL. There are loads of modules for boardgames for it, some of which might suit. It would mean that all each player would need is the rules. VASSAL is an amazing tool that works well once you have got to grips with it, although I appear to be just as cackhanded handling the counters on VASSAL as I am in real life. Anyway, you might find some of the suggestions made above are available as VASSAL modules.
So, is the plethora of attitudes struck by model soldiers these days a boon to the artistic composition of vignette bases? Or a sign of a less organised era that values individual expression over military efficacy and good order? Do your units look like the Dirty Dozen on a bad day after a night out ending in Cardiff’s Chip Alley? Or do they put the Brigade of Guards at Trooping the Colour to shame?
It depends on which period I am using them for. My Vikings need to be in an orderly shieldwall. Likewise, my 18th-century figures should be in the same drill sergeant-mandated pose within a unit. For WW2 and sci-fi, I am happy to have several different poses on a base, although I do try to keep them grouped appropriately, so prone figures can be matched with kneeling ones, but not with standing, while standing figures can be matched with kneeling, and I would not group advancing figures with stationary figures, because I want my units to be doing roughly the same action.
Like Mike says, all bets are off for low level individual skirmish games though. I’ll take what I can get there and am happy to have a bunch of different poses because figures are not acting as a unit.
This is a great idea. It makes me want to do something similar for my 15mm sci-fi. I really like the idea of a fixed set-up where all the action happens. Now if only I lived in the same country as my figures. One day …
My 6mm scifi is all stored in VHS video cassette cases. I bought a couple of metres of 1/2″ soft foam off the market and line the lid of the case with the foam. Then I put magnetic sheet on the base and steel paper on the figure bases. The figures store easily on a bookcase shelf and I can make up fancy covers to insert into the outside of the case so I know what is in the box.
That’s a great idea and brings back happy memories of my 2mm Armati set (Macedonians versus Indians) that could fit both armies in two Altoids tins with a small box for the terrain. I’ve often thought of returning to this concept for 6mm WW2 reinforced battalion level games using Command Decision. One day …
Not reading but don’t overlook the TV series, The Vikings and The Last Kingdom; both employ respected historians as advisers.
The Real Vikings, which was produced as a historical annex to Vikings is worth a watch. Howard Williams has written some good stuff on his ArchaeoDeath blog about Vikings and The Last Kingdom that gives a sense of the early medieval period, although mainly relating to burial practices.08/12/2020 at 09:13 in reply to: Do I Really want to Pay More For Wargames Figures? #148003
Context ……. £45 to get into a football stadium Hairdresser visit £60
How much?! £60 … for a haircut? I don’t even pay that much here in Norway. It’s £20 here and £8 when I am in the UK, and I have a veritable mane that needs taming.
On the figure pricing front, I don’t have strong feelings about pricing of 15mm or 6mm. 50p for a 15mm figure still feels ok. I know I used to buy them for 10p each but that was a long time ago and there is this thing called inflation. I can still afford enough for the gaming I do (or at least plan to do). As I have been collecting figures for games since the early 80s, I am not that interested in quantity any more either and am more interested in interesting figures that fit with what I want to game. What I do want is for the manufacturers to remain interested in producing and supporting their ranges, so I am happy to pay a price that makes it worth their while. I am generally ok with current market prices for 15mm and 6mm and will make a purchasing decision based on perceived value to me. Don’t get me started on premium 28mm prices though!
For understanding the factions, I would be inclined to go with Guy Halsall’s Warfare and Society in the Barbarian West, 450-900 and his Violence and Society in the Early Medieval West. Warfare and Society, in particular, looks at how worldview affects approaches to warfare and perceptions of the way others make war.
Judith Jesch’s The Viking Diaspora offers a sense of the movements of the Vikings, although it is more about people and settlers rather than warfare. For Vikings more generally, The Viking World edited by Stefan Brink and Neil Price is a doorstop of a book that provides overviews of lots of Viking culture-related topics. Vikings: Raids. Culture. Legacy. by Marjolein Stern and me is a more general history that might also be of interest. For a short read on the Vikings, The Vikings by Sæbjorg Walaker Nordeide is a good option.
Hope this helps.
It’s good to see so many plans laid out. I feel inspired to take up all of these projects! 🙂 I am also massively impressed by the productivity on show here. I just can’t manage that.
My own plans are mainly based around trying to make space in my life for gaming. I need to finish writing the Big Bumper Book of Berserkers so that I can (a) annoy people who have invested so much of themselves in popular ideas about berserkers and (b) never have to write another book ever again, thus leaving myself time to actually paint figures, make terrain and play games.
On the gaming front, my long-term goal is to either dispose of or paint all my unpainted lead, then to rationalise my collection and play lots of games with what I have rather than continuing with the scattergun approach that has dominated my gaming since I was a teenager. Easier said than done though, especially because my gaming stuff is all in the UK and I am in Norway. I need to get as much of it moved over here as possible without my wife thinking I am moving out, and while paying heed to the fact that I could have to move back to the UK in three years. I also need to make space in my flat for a games table of a suitable size.
And apparently you can’t kill civilians in the game. So these are the modern type of Vikings, that believes in the rules of war etc.
Every generation recreates the past in its own image. 🙂
Well there isn’t a single piece of mail armor in the entire game. So obviously they simply weren’t interested in actual norse history or culture.
Like I wrote before, I know they did the research, because I know several of the people who contributed that research and how much work they put in. It’s a shame that the research did not survive the creative process.
Haven’t noticed any background dialogue.
It’s definitely there, as I have heard it on videos of the gameplay, but it’s background, so it’s not that intrusive. I’m disappointed they went with modern Icelandic pronunciation though.
Assassin’s creed Valhalla is not a viking game it’s a conan meets world of warcraft.
Isn’t that pretty much how all these things go these days? It’s a shame it comes across like that, because there was some solid research done by serious scholars as part of the development, but then they went with a ‘Vikings’ and ‘The Last Kingdom’ aesthetic. I hope you were able, at least, to admire the Old Norse background dialogue.21/10/2020 at 20:33 in reply to: My edited volume is out, Greek-Turkish War 1919-1923 #145788
While some might feel it would not be there problem and do not care I feel we owe to the family to make some provision to help them;
Absolutely this. Make life easier for those left behind. It’s hard enough losing someone you love without having to worry about what to do with their stuff on top of that.
Oh I like that idea, I have just informed the Wife and she is digging the chamber as I type,
In 1000 years they will dig you up and wonder who you were. No doubt they will conclude that you were a wealthy king and war leader. Reinforce that impression by being buried in an SUV. 😀
I like to think that’s what the Chinese emperor had in mind. Maybe he was a wargamer too.
I wouldn’t be surprised if he was a wargamer, but preferred 1:1 scale over anything else.
Heh, I like the idea of pushing it out to sea and letting the gamers fight over it.
I’ve been slowly downsizing by selling and giving away bits of my collection over the past years. I’m not playing much these days so I figure I should focus on what interests me most and get rid of the rest. I have also put a clause in my will about the disposal of my gaming stuff and books. That way it makes life easier for my executors. I’ve been involved in sorting too many estates over the past ten years, and I know what a pain it is when there are no specific instructions.
Of course, what I would really like is to be buried in a chambered tomb with my wargames armies arrayed around me like a miniature terracotta army. The walls of the tomb can be lined with my books. Books and games can be arranged in the centre of the tomb to form a stand on which my corpse will lie. The participants at my funeral will have to roll dice into the open grave at the end of the ceremony. It will be amazing and should make for a fantastic story for the archaeologists who dig me up in 1000 years’ time.
Britannia covers most of that period. I have been meaning to adapt it as a campaign engine for years, but lacked the players to make the effort worthwhile.
I don’t think nuns and monks would agree with that statement.
Possibly, but that is their loss, not mine. I have certainly not reached the point where I feel that I have too many (painted) Vikings. 🙂
Can you pick me up in Stavanger on your way, please? It should not be too large a detour from Tønsberg. Stylish tunic. I reckon it needs more posaments and bling though.
Sure will, but I expect you to have a shield, spear, and sidearm (seax, axe or sword)
No worries. I can sort that. 🙂
Can you pick me up in Stavanger on your way, please? It should not be too large a detour from Tønsberg.
Stylish tunic. I reckon it needs more posaments and bling though.26/07/2020 at 13:51 in reply to: If Cost Is The SAME, Would You Rather MAKE Or BUY Terrain? #141182
If the cost is the same, I would always buy, because my artistic skills cannot match what I can buy commercially and I am never be satisfied with my own efforts.
Here’s a mix of repro and original on the East Midlands Vikings site. As others have said, tools would be mostly wooden. Something like a spade would have an iron shoe because you need it to cut into the ground. Likewise, anything bladed like a scythe would have a metal blade. All the rest would be wooden.
Given that you started out like a lecturer, I’ll give you the academic answer: yes and no. 🙂
It really depends on the background to your world, as Angel Barracks has said.
I like magic to be a feature of the battlefield and have previously treated spellcasters as units like any other, Missile spells have effects like other missile fire. Some spells can affect morale. Other spells can summon demons and other supernatural aid. There are also scouting spells and various other effects that can be achieved with magic. In many cases, the effects are similar to or the same as effects from normal units, and the only difference is the narrative in your head. The rules I use also have heroes whose combat effects are also larger than life, although a unit or two of normal troops can still take out a hero if they work at it. In each case, I imagine that the spellcaster or hero unit consists of a main hero/spellcaster and a supporting cast of sidekicks.
Thanks, I guess I shall find out. This would be a whole lot easier if we were making the move in just one go. Ah well, I can fill my suitcase with gaming stuff for now and just wear all my clothes on the plane! 🙂