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  • 15/03/2017 at 19:41 #59337
    Avatar photoAngel Barracks
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    Had orangey brown skin?
    Would that still be an Orc?

    What if they were 10′ tall?
    Would that still be an Orc?

    What if they were not thick as pig shit, but as clever as humans?
    Would that still be an Orc?

    What if I made these in 6mm?
    would that be…

    15/03/2017 at 19:43 #59338
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    Wouldn’t it make them an Ogre?

    15/03/2017 at 19:45 #59340
    Avatar photoAngel Barracks
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    I thought ogres were dumb as too?

    15/03/2017 at 19:58 #59341
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    Hey, that’s Ogre-ist! ……. Actually, probably fair comment…….

    15/03/2017 at 19:58 #59342
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    Had green skin?
    Would that still be an Orc?

    What if they were 10′ tall?
    Would that still be an Orc?

    What if they were not thick as pig shit, but as clever as humans?
    Would that still be an Orc?

    What if I made these in 6mm?
    would that be…

    15/03/2017 at 22:12 #59347
    Avatar photoVictoria Dickson
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    Angel Barracks wrote:

    What if they were 10′ tall?
    Would that still be an Orc?

    What if I made these in 6mm?
    would that be…

    A 10mm Orc?

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    15/03/2017 at 23:57 #59348
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    The 10′ tall thing does sound a tad un-orcish to me, but the non-green skin and the human-equivalent intelligence do not. Then again, there’s pig-faced orcs. Then again again, there’s nothing stopping me referring to thri-kreen, goat-form beastmen, lizardmen or even Neanderthals as orcs, but that would hardly be helping anyone.

    It’s also interesting to me when archetypal “orcs” are termed as something entirely different in some settings. I’m mainly thinking of the giaks in Joe Dever’s Lone Wolf / Magnamund setting, and some of the varieties of trolls in the Trudvang setting.

    16/03/2017 at 01:47 #59352
    Avatar photoPatG
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    The goblinoid races come in many sizes and “classical” portrayals depict bigger than average members of the species, and reference purposeful breeding. I could see big orcs as shock troops, commanders or as a protection squadron for evil overlords.

    Personally, I have never liked the depiction of orcs as stupid.  They are known for their cunning and their ability to build crude but effective weapons.

    16/03/2017 at 05:09 #59355
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    So something a bit like a Halo Brute?
    A big and powerfull sentient race that can actually compete with humans.
    Finally a good exuse for power armor/small mecha 😉
    Yes I would be interested, just so long as they are not goofball spiky whaaaggh green fungusses.

    16/03/2017 at 08:08 #59359
    Avatar photoAngel Barracks
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    Stroezie wrote:

    So something a bit like a Halo Brute?

    Had to Google that, yeah kind of.
    I have 2 ideas for my aliens.
    A definite re-take on the classic orc and something a bit different.
    I will try and paint one of each and get a photo on here later.

    16/03/2017 at 10:56 #59369
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    I’m rather traditionalist regarding the definitions of fantasy species,  for me an Orc is man-sized or a bit larger and stronger; and not very cunning (I prefer the little Goblins to be the cunning elements of a goblinoid group, and Orcs the strong ones); but skin colour is not a problem (I think Tolkien didnt’t say that they are green?)

    However, in a Sci-Fi context, humans who meet a new alien species could call them “Orcs” just because they don’t like them, they’ll know the name because they will read the LOTR in the future too; and so this species will be known as “Orcs”. They are lots of examples in history of nicknames being given to nations or ethnic groups.

    …And later, when peace will come after the end of the terrible future wars between the humans and these “Orcs”, they will probably ask to be given their real name in their own language instead of this pejorative name inspired by old human fantasy literature… 

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    16/03/2017 at 14:03 #59378
    Avatar photoAngel Barracks
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    Something is being escorted across my desk…

    Not an Orc…

    16/03/2017 at 14:14 #59379
    Avatar photoPatG
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    Angel Barracks wrote:

    Not an Orc…

    So a Nork then?

    16/03/2017 at 14:16 #59380
    Avatar photoMike
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    Nork….  are you aware what that means?

     

    16/03/2017 at 14:21 #59381
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    Fire teams of 2 right?

    16/03/2017 at 15:28 #59385
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    I would say it all depended upon your primary vision of an ork, whether it were a Wh green skin, a D&D pigsnout (which were orangish), a mordor dark skinned creature, or a germanic folkloric monster that was more a twisted human cannibal than a different species.

     

    I am sure that when humanity reaches far planets with strange lifeforms we will name these creatures based on what we already know.  Bugs, birds, snakes, whatever these new beasties remind us of.  So, if you want to call it an Orc, call it an Orc!  (though I think you can do better than that!)

    "I saw this in a cartoon once, but I'm pretty sure I can do it..."

    16/03/2017 at 15:34 #59386
    Avatar photoAngel Barracks
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    Totes.  Their background is pretty much done.

    Just wondering if I could pass them off as Orcs to the GW crowd.

    17/03/2017 at 03:41 #59406
    Avatar photoWilliam Jones
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    I would discard the express ‘Orc’ idea.  Too GW-y.  I think Planet of the Apes is a better concept, or something along the genetic tinkering found in Clone Republic.  The Navy combat clones are some seriously vicious bastards.

    The super-trooper modified ‘thing’ in space is a great concept, but I’d cut it loose from Middle Earth, or any of it’s imitators.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Clone_Republic

     

    19/03/2017 at 21:19 #59538
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    If one of the races in the Tanya Huff Confederation series can be mistaken for “Fukking Elves” initially than a group of confrontational sentients could be labeled “Orcs” or “Goblins” I think.

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