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  • #106809
    Whirlwind
    Whirlwind
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    Considering one thing and another, I got to wonder about changing rulesets and why people do it.  What has caused you to change playing a ruleset that you were enjoying?

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    #106813
    Autodidact-O-Saurus
    Autodidact-O-Saurus
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    Usually curiosity to see how they ‘feel’. I’m mostly a solo player so I’m not too influenced by the rules du jour.

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    #106814
    Ruarigh
    Ruarigh
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    Mainly because we stopped enjoying it. The outcome of the games became too predictable. I cannot discount fads and fashions too though. New shiny rules come along and we have to try them out. I’ve lost count of the number of 15mm sci fi rules sets we have played, but, fads aside, each offers something different. Perhaps it’s a new rules mechanism, or perhaps it’s a different approach or style. I don’t think we have ever found the One True Rules Set that will make all others obsolete.

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    #106818
    Ochoin
    Ochoin
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    George Mallory famously claimed he would climb mountains because “I can”.

    I, less famously, change rule sets because I can.

    The power of setting the parameters to suit yourself is certainly an attraction in a hobby that seems to be filled with anarchists and individuals.

    donald

    #106822

    Chris Pringle
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    My ruleset progression has broadly been away from overly-detailed, fiddly, attritional/predictable rules for small scale actions towards cleaner, faster, streamlined rules that get full battles done in a shorter time and with more entertaining variability along the way.

    I wrote an essay on my blog a while ago that perhaps gives a more general / partial answer to the question:

    https://bloodybigbattles.blogspot.com/2015/11/wargames-how-much-war-how-much-game.html

    Chris

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    #106824
    warwell
    warwell
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    I am not entirely satisfied with my current rules set. Looking for the “Holy Grail” that will make me completely content.

    #106828

    Mr. Average
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    The kind of games I play are pretty esoteric – high level company/battalion/regimental tactical sci fi games are not common: you basically have Future War Commander, Iron Cow, Dirtside, Strike Legion, and… that’s it. Everything else is Skirmish these days. Not to kick skirmish, it’s just there are a bazillion skirmish rule sets at the moment – that makes them easier to switch around with, I’d imagine.

    #106829
    Phil Dutré
    Phil Dutré
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    Even though a ruleset might have served you for many years, at some point, it will become old-fashioned. Newer gaming mechanics are introduced into the hobby, and you will not find them in an old ruleset. That doesn’t mean the older ruleset cannot be used anymore, but sometimes you simply want to upgrade to the current state-of-the-art.

    Also, the constraints of the hobby change over time. Once upon a time it was acceptable to have a game for a full weekend, moving 500 figures individually, but if the current constraints tend towards 2-hour games using 50 figures a side, that should translate in the rules as well.

    I use house rules for most of my games, and I tweak them slightly after every game. Hence, my rulesets have changed continuously over the years.

     

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    #106830
    Grimheart
    Grimheart
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    As someone mentioned above, always looking for the “holy grail”, the perfect set of rules!

    Interest include 6mm WW2, 6mm SciFi, 30mm Old West, DropFleet, Warlords Exterminate and others!

    #106832
    MartinR
    MartinR
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    Because what I like to do changes, and new and interesting things come along.  Rules are always pretty transient, but the great joy of figure gaming is that you will still have the toys to use with new rules in the future. I shudder to think how many different sets of rules my poor old Napoloenic and WW2 troops have been through.

    "Mistakes in the initial deployment cannot be rectified" - Helmuth von Moltke

    #106833
    Not Connard Sage
    Not Connard Sage
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    Because otherwise I’d still be playing Grant’s ‘Battle’? Or even worse, those ‘ultra-realistic’ horrors that were the vogue in the 80s.

    Change is good. Variety is good. Despite that, I still tend to be conservative – if I have a favourite set it takes a lot to pry me away from it. I still haven’t found anything better than Might & Reason for WSS, but I haven’t looked too hard. 🙂

     

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    #106841
    Ivan Sorensen
    Ivan Sorensen
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    In no particular order:

    * The new game has a cool idea or mechanic or does something interesting.

    * I’ve gotten annoyed with something in the current game.

    * I love reading and learning new mechanics.

    * The cover might look really cool.

    * If you never try new things, brain-worms set in.

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    #106850

    Doug Melville
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    Main reason? Because the people I enjoy playing with are using something different. I respect their opinion, so if they think a game is worth trying I will give it a go. I also have a range of periods I have an interest in where I haven’t found a ruleset I really like yet. This has changed a little as I have now found rules I like for small actions for WW2, I have found rules for small actions in the black powder era. I have rules I don’t mind for massed battles of the WSS, and I have a few I want to try for Napoleonics or 7YW. No-one locally plays my ancients rules of choice sadly.

    #106852

    Thomaston
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    I’ve only been rules migrating the for last 2 years, I was pretty happy until I found the simpler and elegant NWG rules. Now I’m always on the lookout for new mechanics that fit the feel I had in mind.

    Tired is enough.

    #106853

    Nathaniel Weber
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    I like trying out new games and, if I play one game long enough, will probably start to grow tired of it (this happened with Battleground WWII, Arc of Fire, Fire and Fury, and Check your 6–all great games I played a ton of).  But given a break, I’ll go back to old rules after a while and enjoy them again.

    #106854
    telzy amber
    telzy amber
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    Mr Average wrote:

    The kind of games I play are pretty esoteric – high level company/battalion/regimental tactical sci fi games are not common: you basically have Future War Commander, Iron Cow, Dirtside, Strike Legion, and… that’s it.

    What about FiveCore Company Commander, FiveCore Brigade Commander, Striker II Traveller (it’s Command Decision/Test of Battle in Spaaace, each unit is a platoon)?

    In general I prefer skirmish, but in the main I’m passive about rules. I play whatever the group wants as the game is a social event for me.

    Yeah, I’m pathetic

    #106855
    Ivan Sorensen
    Ivan Sorensen
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    Nothing wrong with playing “whatever”. One of my old mates just wanted to play. Sure, there were games he liked a bit more or less. Ditto for periods or settings.
    But ultimately, if we got together, rolled dice and had a beer, that’s what counted.

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    #106856
    Ivan Sorensen
    Ivan Sorensen
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    I’ve only been rules migrating the for last 2 years, I was pretty happy until I found the simpler and elegant NWG rules. Now I’m always on the lookout for new mechanics that fit the feel I had in mind.

    I’m sorry I broke the tranquility! 🙂

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    #106928
    Thuseld
    Thuseld
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    I want to play different things at different times. I my want to go in a bug hunt a la Aliens one day, but then pit a combined arms force against another to take control of a city. I my then want to play two large WW2 forces one day, and then a squad vs squad another day. It depends on my mood.

    Also the element of “ooh,  pretty”.

    #106934
    kyoteblue
    kyoteblue
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    I buy more rules than I ever play as I have such a hard time learning new rules.  Shrug.

    #106937
    Shaun Travers
    Shaun Travers
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    I enjoy playing new rules!  Actually when i was younger with a lot more FTF we only played the latest WRG Ancients rules for ancients., and for 12 years just Armati II.  For WW2, Tractics, then Combined Arms, then Take Cover!! over a space on 25 years.  I flutter to new rules as I am a butterfly and have lots and lots of rulesets and want to play them all (!) as I find it very interesting on mechanisms used and an authors interpretation of battle.

    The rules I play the most for the last 7 years now for WW2 and ancients are my own that I have steadily playtested and modified so in that respect I have not changed rules, just constantly tweaked 🙂

     

    #106940

    Alan Hamilton
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    I come from the generation of wargamers who had to write our own rules.  To this day virtually all the rules I use are the ones written by wargaming friends or by myself dating back to the 1960s.

    That said I do play games with 3 commercial rule sets even though I am never quite satisfied with them – The Hobbit, Lord of the Rings, Bolt Action –

    Why?

    Because our grandchildren like to play them and also they can play the games with their friends.

    #106951
    grizzlymc
    grizzlymc
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    I write my own rules, and when I find a good set, I modify them out of all belief.

    #107547
    Harry Faversham
    Harry Faversham
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    Because otherwise I’d still be playing Grant’s ‘Battle’? Or even worse, those ‘ultra-realistic’ horrors that were the vogue in the 80s.🙂

    Like you I moved on from Grant and Featherstone to those ‘ultra-realistic’ horrors’ and learned something pretty quick after what passed for my brayn exploded… the KISS Principle.

    The KISS Principle has been the only constant in the last half century of playing with toy sowjers. As we’ve got older myself and the rest of the Dynamic Dunderheads only tinker with old skool rules to make ’em even simpler. Factors, charts and computations to produce a thick or brilliant General… who needs ’em. Dream up a magnificent flank attack with the Hussar Brigade, then declare you’re movement phase over, only to have a brayn fart because, in the heat of battle, you forget to move said Hussar Brigade!

    KISS made easy thanks to senile dementia!!!

     

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    #107850
    Mike
    Mike
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    I generally only change rules when changing genre.
    My 6mm centric sci-fi rules did not translate well to 15mm fantasy.
    Having said that, the rules I first used for 15mm fantasy whilst good, were not quite meaty enough, hence moving away from them.

    #108142
    Jay T
    Jay T
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    Usually caving into the hype.

    Then I go straight back to the three sets I nearly always use!

    Retreat!

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