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  • #54576
    General Slade
    General Slade
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    Does anyone know anything about the book Russian Infantry Flags of the Napoleonic Wars by Dr. Lesley Prince and Laurence Spring that is advertised on the Caliver website? https://www.caliverbooks.com/bookview.php?it9otvhhsr3q808ako6mg5f2q2&id=25186

    I’m a sucker for books on flags but I wanted to know if it was any good before spending almost fifty quid on it.

    #55084

    Jonathan Gingerich
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    I am curious myself. I did a little poking around and found a number of Russian flag graphics on Prince’s blog site. There are some data and presentation issues, but it’s unfair to judge on basis of “snapshots” of the work.

    The main competition appears to be Cristini’s compilation of colored plates and Conrad’s translation of Viskovatov. If volume 17 (not published currently) is priced like 7, it will be about $60. (Just looked at the sample. Not sure if it is colorized…) My guess is that both sets of books are offering Viskovatov’s data in illustrated form. Handy, but not essential.

    I confess I have been working on the flags longer than the uniforms, and am hung up on some simple details and the need to do a lot of graphics work to do it justice. But I’m happy to answer specific questions till I get it published.

    Anybody in Brussels that can help me out?-) or St. Petersburg…

    #55122
    General Slade
    General Slade
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    To be honest I would really only be buying the book to look at the pretty pictures and whilst I know you shouldn’t judge a book by the cover I do think the cover is kind of ugly . . .

     

     

     

     

    #55192

    Jonathan Gingerich
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    Additional page views are available at:

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10154795437503610&set=a.10154795437108610.1073741837.610743609&type=3&theater

    Clearly it’s not just a reprise of Viskovatov. There is some stuff of great interest to me.

    #55200
    General Slade
    General Slade
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    Thanks Jonathan.  It turns out it is a rather lovely-looking book and it appears to be exceptionally well illustrated.  It’s definitely going on the want list.

    #106254

    Les Prince
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    If I may, this book is the result of considerable research and as far as we know contains all the flags used by the Russian army during the Napoleonic Wars (over 700 flags). As far as we are aware, there is nothing like it in print anywhere, either in Russian or English. We tried to give as complete a record of the flags as we could, and laid it out so that the various regiments should be easy to access by name and date. It is disappointing that it has received such a lukewarm response given the amount of work involved, especially by me, but I suppose that is the way of the world. We stand by the book, and I personally am very proud of it.

    Yours

    Les Prince

    Les Prince

    "Everything that ever has meant anything, has just as truly meant something else" (Charles Fort)

    #106262
    General Slade
    General Slade
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    Hi Les,

    It’s great to have you on the forum.  I am sorry that the response to the book has seemed lukewarm but I do feel you have rather been let down by the marketing of your work.  It is almost impossible to find any information about it online: Caliver’s website only gives a two-line description and the Partizan Press site just has a paragraph; neither site has any pictures of the contents of the book (or for that matter of the book itself – there is just a scan of the cover art).  It is an expensive book to buy when you can’t see what you are getting.

    #106264
    Not Connard Sage
    Not Connard Sage
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    ^^^That is the problem I have with Caliver Books, not enough info. I know they have thousands of titles, but even so having no detailed descriptions of their more expensive titles is inexcusable.

    "I go online sometimes, but everyone's spelling is really bad. It's... depressing."

    #106453

    Alexandre Heroy
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    “am hung up on some simple details”

    I likely don’t know anything useful …. but there is maybe a chance I could find something helpful if you cared to post such a detail.

    #106461

    Jonathan Gingerich
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    Alexandre – how often are you in Brussels?-)

    #106468

    Alexandre Heroy
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    Brussels? Not often, and then only at the airport.
    But I have friendly business colleagues in Ghent, some of whom may also be interested in history.
    I am more often in Petersburg.

    #106505

    Jonathan Gingerich
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    ohhhh! drop me a line jon dot c dot gingerich at gmail dot com. 🙂

    #106787
    Bandit
    Bandit
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    Russian Infantry Flags of the Napoleonic Wars is frankly and excellent book. It is unfortunate that it is not more widely available and better known. It is of excellent value for its price.

    Cheers,

    The Bandit

    #106911

    Les Prince
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    Hello again,

    If it’s not breaching netiquette, I could post some pages here for you to have a look at. I am a bit shocked that the marketing seems so bad, so if you have any questions I am happy to answer them. It would not be appropriate for me to review the book, for obvious reasons, but I will do my best to help.

    Regards

    Les

    Les Prince

    "Everything that ever has meant anything, has just as truly meant something else" (Charles Fort)

    #106941
    General Slade
    General Slade
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    Hi Les,

    I think posting some pages would be a great idea.  It is a book I have been toying with buying ever since it came out and it would be great to be able to see some of the content.

    Do you have any plans to do a companion volume on Russian cavalry standards?

    #106977

    Les Prince
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    Hi

    I’m trying to upload some double page spreads and illustrations from the book, but today is a bad network day – everything’s slow and refusing to co-operate. I also wanted to upload a PDF of the first section, but it seems I can’t. I’ll keep trying. What is the file size limit for the site? Are there other places I can upload them? If not, then I’ll try photographing them.

    Best wishes

    Lesa single page from the book

    Les Prince

    "Everything that ever has meant anything, has just as truly meant something else" (Charles Fort)

    #106978

    Les Prince
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    I made the files smaller

    • This reply was modified 2 weeks, 3 days ago by  Les Prince.

    Les Prince

    "Everything that ever has meant anything, has just as truly meant something else" (Charles Fort)

    #106980

    Les Prince
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    Today I am not happy with the technology. Here’s the last for now; I’ll post some more tomorrow, perhaps.

    Les Prince

    "Everything that ever has meant anything, has just as truly meant something else" (Charles Fort)

    #106993
    General Slade
    General Slade
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    Thanks for posting these Les.  The book looks great and I’m definitely intending to get a copy.

    #106996

    Les Prince
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    You are welcome General Slade. I’ll post a couple more later today.

    Les

    Les Prince

    "Everything that ever has meant anything, has just as truly meant something else" (Charles Fort)

    #107014

    Les Prince
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    Les Prince

    "Everything that ever has meant anything, has just as truly meant something else" (Charles Fort)

    #107016

    Les Prince
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    Les Prince

    "Everything that ever has meant anything, has just as truly meant something else" (Charles Fort)

    #107018

    Les Prince
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    For anyone interested in seeing and reading section 1 of the book, here is a direct link to the PDF: https://www.dropbox.com/s/fao1sflf3566jin/Russian%20flags%20Section%201%20edited%201810.pdf?dl=0

    Les Prince

    "Everything that ever has meant anything, has just as truly meant something else" (Charles Fort)

    #107221

    Jonathan Gingerich
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    Thanks Les that’s very interesting stuff. (I assume the Royal Army Museum and the Leger Museum are one and the same?) I know the Army Museum has a Butyrki flag in their archives. I did not know they had one of Taurida as well. Do you know if it’s on display?

    Jon.

    #107222

    Les Prince
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    Dear Jon

    Sorry I don’t know if they’re on display. The problem with flags is if they are on constant display they suffer badly, and some museums therefore rotate their holdings. The Maritime Museum at Greenwich does this, for example, which can be frustrating if you make the journey just to see a particular flag, which I did, wanting to see the Commonwealth command flag they hold. It wasn’t there. On the other hand I did get to see one of the so-called Drake flags, which was a nice compensation.

    Best

    Les

    Les Prince

    "Everything that ever has meant anything, has just as truly meant something else" (Charles Fort)

    #107338

    Jonathan Gingerich
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    Spent last evening trying to run down Strukov’s inventory. Figured out the proper citation, only to discover only one copy in worldcat – in Munich. Found reprints on various Russian sites and tried to purchase, but no luck. Then realized one of the hits was RSL – Russian State Library. Can’t get a card without showing up with my passport…but, hey!, you only need to register to download!!! Good times! 🙂

    #107340

    Les Prince
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    Sounds good to me

    Les Prince

    "Everything that ever has meant anything, has just as truly meant something else" (Charles Fort)

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