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You could make Janissaries veteran shot but with no close order capability. Or even Folorn Hope.  Arnauts commanded shot.  Iarlars clansmen.  Foot Azabs clubmen.  Spahis of the Porte aggressive gallopers, feudal Spahis inferior ones. Tatars and mounted Azabs trotters and inferior trotters.

I have a bunch of under employed Turks too let us know how you get on and the catergories you decide on.

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Some heavy cavalry done now.

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I have all three, books 1 and 3 are in very good condition, book 2 is a bit battered.  Should you be interested I also have a copy of the 7th edition rules in very good condition still with the card qrs.

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Fred, I’ve not tried this but it seems to be what you want as a free pdf.  If you still want hard copies let me know.

pdfsdirnn.com/download/wrg-ancients-7th-edition-army-lists.pdf

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Couldn’t fault that.  I’ll see what I’ve got and get back to you.

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I have some, maybe all of them.  What are you offering?

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Yes, they are and I’ll probably buy a few more packs.  I wanted as much variety as possible. Also while the MY Miniatures horses are fine for Dragoons they are a bit small for my idea of cavalry horses for this period. More or less I’ll use the MYs for Monmouth’s men and the Donnington’s for the King’s.

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Thanks folks.  I’m basing some of the Donnington cavalry up tonight they’re very nice too.  I’ll take a pic tomorrow light quality willing.

I should say the price is good on these 60p cavalry and 30p foot per figure.

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A bit of an update on this one.  All good news the Donnington’s do indeed match and they’re very nice figures too.

 

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Excellent stuff as ever.  Lovely pics and an interesting commentary.

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Yeah Victoria the Irish and French are pretty much done.  Mind you there’s always something that could be added.

The British regulars need more units and there’s my dilemma.  I should field some Militia even though they will likely run away or change sides. To do so I’d have to convert some of my existing Minifigs.  I’m reluctant to do so.  So, I’ll paint some British Regulars next and then bite the bullet and buy some new figures from Irregular for the Militia.

Like you I’m intrigued to see if this all works on the table top.

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I’d never of thought to do that and it worked brilliantly.  A gripping game.

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Thank you both.  As projects go this one has been fun and easy so far.

There are a bunch of pike men and some Royal artillery on my blog of you’d like a look.

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That’s the 70e Demi brigade done.

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I’ve not got a favourite one but I really like these 15mm Donnington Sassanids.

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For God’s sake KB its easy.  First cover the floor of a suitable room with salt and taking a Deer’s hoof in your left hand draw a perfect circle in the salt, then light candles at the cardinal points.  Take up your position in the centre of the circle and begin the incantation.  What could be simpler?

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Newline are very nice.  Irregular are doing stuff in 20mm too, that might help with gaps.

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Maybe try Ebay?

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Check out the Roundway Highlanders very Essex compatible and cheaper.  You can see them here.

The Black Hat cavalry are huge I used them with my Old Glory infantry and they fit well enough.  Their infantry are a match for Dixon but cruder.  To my mind the mounted and foot of the range are different sizes biggies and true 15s respectively.

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It’s true, unfortunately I said yes.

My Donnington Restoration 15mm biggies arrived yesterday-very nice.  I’ve a unit of Dragoons half painted.

Which Manufacturers figures are you thinking of for the ’45?

 

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kyoteblue wrote:

Sorting through my lead pile, I’ve found two cannons and 12 pirate gunners for regimental guns! Being a gaming pack rat is paying off! I can also use some of my riderless horses to add to some shot to make a couple of Dragoon units. Now to get them all based and painted.

It’s the way to go, most of my Mersey Rule School Armies have been assembled from stuff I already had.  Someone should give the lad an award for promoting recycling.

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Thanks Victoria.

Yeah they do, very well. Even all three on the same base.

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Nice blog Darryl.  Lots of interesting projects not least the Seminole War.

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Nice range of stuff there.

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That all worked for me Graham, great game.  It also reminded me that I have a load of painted OG Turks lying around and doing nothing too.

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Mike’s Models?  Look forward to seeing them in action.

Regarding the ECW if you sign up for the QRF Newsletter you get a 10% discount twice a year.  They do have some very nice ECW stuff.

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Mounted prickers were sometimes described as having their feet about a foot off the ground.  Small cuddies indeed.

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There have been a number of language shifts over time so you’d need someone like Prof’ JT Koch to mark your card properly and of course we are dealing with Latin versions of Celtic names.  Any way the following sounds like are my guesses.

That said the C is always hard in Celtic so Verkingetorix would be more like it.  It translates something like great warrior king.

1.) Aedui could be Aydwei or Ayd-oo-i

6.) Suebi  Sway-bi might be about right.  We still have Swabians today.

We have a couple of Bretons posting here they might well shed some light on your question.

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Yeah and saw the RTE/ BBC TV drama series which was a good one.  It seems to have disappeared now otherwise I’d buy a copy.  Year of The French is a very good novel but my favourite from Flanagan is The Tenants of Time. 

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I should say I cut the pikes down Darryl, the original length is the same as the standard bearer.

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Yeah, Duffy is the lad you want, great stuff.

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I’ve high hopes of it been a fun one Victoria and thanks for the kind words.

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I’d be broadly in agreement with the thrust of that.  Two things though, discipline in the Army of Ulster was severe and getting sufficient weapons had been a long and difficult task.  Anyone shortening their pike would likely have been hanged.

Lances were a great way of arming your cavalry if money or armour and weaponry was short. If you had access to pistols, buff coat, pot helmet and maybe breast and back you wouldn’t bother as that assemblage gave more tactical options, including hitting power.  If you had little or none of that Lancers were the answer.  A one trick pony but one that couldn’t be ignored.

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Pike shortening drove Generals mad they were always complaining about it. They knew it could lose a fight.  For the Pike men who had to lug the things about it was a different matter.  They liked to reduce the weight and unwieldiness given the chance.

At Benburb this doesn’t seem to have been a factor. The Scot’s pike were bought shorter and the Irish one’s were bought first class, modern and full length. You can find the detail in Cassaway and Hayes-McCoy.

As to unarmoured Lancers. I’ve no doubt the Irish wore whatever armour available whenever they could, but mainly they had none.  The main point was that charging Lancers really upset fire arm cavalry -if you miss they are on you, with greater reach.  Armoured or not it was a different type of engagement.  

How you might model that without unbalancing a game seems tricky to me.  Phil Barker went for inferior status minus 1 for shorter pike and I guess with Lance V Fire arms if they manage to close they win.  

 

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While we are on the subject there is also the Pike issue.  The Irish pikes were said to be longer with a diamond shaped point and the Scots ones shorter with a rounder point.  This apparently gave the Irish an advantage in combat.

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It is an interesting one.  Further to Guy’s points.  The Scots were very tired and their infantry and artillery contented them selves with firing at long range.  Their cavalry attempted two charges at opposite ends of the the Irish line.  Both were repulsed.  

When the Irish advance came they did not return fire until they were within ‘pike length’ and then fell on. IIRC, the Scots  deployment meant their infantry were defeated in detail as there was not enough space for all units to fight at once.

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Good to see this one played, and twice at that.

You might be interested to know the Irish cavalry were Lancers in the Spanish fashion rather than Reiter in the Dutch one.

Badly under equipped with pistols compared to their Planter and Scots opponents they had earlier requested breast plates from their General Eoin Ruadh instead he gave them lances and trained them to charge home.

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Thanks very much Whirlwind that’s just what I needed.  I want to paint them like the first pic but suspect I should go with the second one. 

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Thanks for the comparison pic.  Tin Soldier Boers for me.

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Yes, the story telling is good.

I’d share Zippy’s view too.

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