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Hafen von SchlockenbergParticipant
Thanks, OB. Should I toss my 2nd Edition then? Picked up at a flea market last year, and haven’t even tried them yet!
Hafen von SchlockenbergParticipantWow, I can see from the blog how much work went into these, but the results were definitely worth it!
If you want to show us more conversion magic (which I’d really like to see), how about the idea working up a unit of the traditional Greek horse-featured satyrs? (the Romans conflated them with their own goat-feature fauns):
I found another red figure horse-type satyr armed, interestingly, as a peltast, but hesitated to post it here, as another, um, “feature” common to satyrs was on somewhat prominent display.
Hafen von SchlockenbergParticipantMany changes from 2nd Edition?
Hafen von SchlockenbergParticipantWally Simon had some typically sarcastic (and hilarious) comments on saving throws, in my treasured stack of PW Reviews.
Also about WAB — I recall his noting that pikes were given a “missile rating”, and trying to picture what that would look like.
Hafen von SchlockenbergParticipantFor the camel guns, see the Persian conversions I mentioned here:
http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=437882
As for size comparisons, someone else will have to say; I like to have them in hand when I do that, and I haven’t been able to do that yet. But Sysiphus in that thread seems to have seen no problem mixing OG and Foundry, at least in separate units.
Heh. “The Persian Conversions”: good name for a band!
Hafen von SchlockenbergParticipantAre you referring to all companies, or just the two depot companies? Would the men from them be distributed among the field companies? That would be understandable.
I take it from Paskal’s other posts that he’s interested in the conditions at the time of the Sikh Wars. In looking at the returns, it appears the numbers in the field in India were higher than the c. 600 Grimheart cites: the average is around 800 per battalion (a few were higher). That would seem to imply more than six companies, but I can’t find definitive information.
Hafen von SchlockenbergParticipantLucan, by Gawd!*
I wonder how many members were awake at the end of that?
Seriously, though, thanks for this, ‘parts’ of which were certainly interesting.
My own battalions for the Sikh Wars will nevertheless consist of eight companies, for no other reason than frugal practicality: that’s the way the OG packs work out.
I’ve been mocked for this, but am I downhearted? No!
* Is he still the most notorious Earl? The 7th appears to have made some inroads to the title. . .
Hafen von SchlockenbergParticipantYou might ask here:
http://www.victorianwars.com/index.php
They have a dedicated Sikh Wars forum, too!
Hafen von SchlockenbergParticipantAgreed. So many game vehicles are far too clean. I like ’em dirty.
Hafen von SchlockenbergParticipantYou should be pleased with the Old Glory line, although you might want to get a few sample packs to begin with, to be sure they have the look you want. With a number of different sculptors, the results vary; with the Indian Mutiny, since you mention it, I liked the mutineers, but was less satisfied with the British figures: the bayonets break off very easily, a perennial problem with OG, which is odd, because those on the mutineer figs don’t seem to have that problem. In fact, they are more robust in general than the British figures, which seem rather anemic in comparison. I suspect two different sculptors.
Anyway , this doesn’t seem to be the case with the Sikh Wars range. A couple of points, though:
You should probably get a command pack or two, to see exactly what’s in them. I’ve only inspected a couple at shows, but from what I could see, it looked as if there were more “extra” type figures than the usual officer/standard-bearer/musician combination. You may need more command packs than you think, particularly if you intend to have two colours per unit.
Another point: at least in the few pics I’ve seen, none of the horses for the Gorachurra have much in the way of armor; whether this is typical of the 1840’s I can’t say.
I would welcome correction on these points from someone more knowledgeable!
Lastly, there are,unfortunately, no Zamburak camel gunners in the OG range. They were going to be included in the First Afghan War range, but as I said, that never happened.
I did see where someone used the Zamburaks from the OG 16th-17th century Persian line, with some head swaps, so that’s a possibility.
I hope you’ll give us regular updates on your progress. And pics!
Hafen von SchlockenbergParticipantPerhaps it does seem surprising, these days, but remember that Colonial gaming was almost totally dominated by the Big Three — AZW, NWF, Sudan — for many years, with everything else relegated to a tiny niche. You could look through various catalogs, and find the same figure-types, over and over. Understandable, when that is what sells.
Though even with those, there were important gaps: did you want dismounted Frontier Light Horse? Convert something else. Over here in the US, one gentleman, Richard Houston, carved out a niche by, in part, creating figures and equipment not covered by the large manufacturers.
I never thought to see figures for the early South African Wars, or Maori Wars, but here they are. We’re not yet in the Golden Age of Colonials (try browsing for companies that cover Adowa, for instance), but we’ve come a long way in the last decade or two.
Though even there, the situation is a bit tenuous: I don’t know how well the other companies are doing with Sikh Wars, but last I spoke with OG’s Russ Dunaway, they hadn’t yet broken even on their line. Given the large number of different sculpts, the (so far) limited market, and, of course, their prices, I can’t say I’m really surprised. I’m hoping the entry of more companies into the market will help bring on a tipping point; at least it should expose more gamers to the period.
That would be a good thing for Colonial gamers — one thing leads to another. I don’t know if you’re aware of this, but when OG brought out their Sikhs, they also announced a range for the First Afghan War. Due to limited sales for the first range, the other one never happened. But if Sikh Wars becomes a “thing”, who knows? We could find ourselves marching on (or retreating from!) Kabul.
Hafen von SchlockenbergParticipantOther than the fact that they originated with a kickstarter, I have to confess ignorance .
Maybe someone knows?
Hafen von SchlockenbergParticipantSome elephant bones would be a good start!
Hafen von SchlockenbergParticipantStudio:
I have only ONE pack for the Sikh Wars — so far! They are the OG Sepoys in shako. I like them. Many, if not most, of the figures for that range were sculpted by Chris Hughes, of Sash and Saber, if that’s a help.
The OG Army card brings the prices way down, but I don’t know whether that would help you, considering shipping costs.
Hafen von SchlockenbergParticipantTake a look at these,from Battle Valor:
https://www.battlevalorgames.com/humancivilians15figures.aspx
(Click the image to enlarge).
I liked them so much I bought the pack at Historicon– and I don’t even do the period in 15mm. D’oh!
Hafen von SchlockenbergParticipantThat I don’t know, but you can find a lot of arguments about it online!
I was hoping for something a little more definitive than bacteria and churned up soil– a few bits of gear,for example–but maybe that will come with further digging.
BTW: it’s available for viewing here:
Hafen von SchlockenbergParticipantI like the name, quite funny!
“Ow! Right in the shiny part!”
Hafen von SchlockenbergParticipantSounds awesome.
There are certainly plenty of Kim-appropriate figures available, but what about Khloe? And don’t forget Kourtney!
BTW– why not double the fun by including the SNL versions?
Hafen von SchlockenbergParticipantYeah, well, you’ll be singing a different tune when they start pillaging and looting the diner.
“Eggs! Eggs! Grr! Arrgh!”
Hafen von SchlockenbergParticipantI would like to see them expand coverage to 1/32 scale.
And change their policy about not reviewing fantasy. Of course, the judgements on “historical accuracy” wouldn’t apply, but commentary on other aspects, scuplting, molding, and anatomy, would be most welcome.
Not to mention the size comparisons and excellent photographs.
Hafen von SchlockenbergParticipantYes — though I was expecting something from 1914 or so!
What manufacturer?
Hafen von SchlockenbergParticipant‘Meh’ probably has some meaning in today’s parlance but, to be honest, I wouldn’t even have realised it was a critical comment.
Origin?
Hafen von SchlockenbergParticipantNo problem — although, if I were actually down there, seeing it from that angle, I doubt that would be the first thought that occurred to me!
Hafen von SchlockenbergParticipantDon’t forget one of these!
Hafen von SchlockenbergParticipantOoh,that looks fun!
I like the boats. Scratchbuilds?
Hafen von SchlockenbergParticipantI’ve been using craft paints,along with some Liquitex, for years, and am quite happy with them, so no for me.
Hafen von SchlockenbergParticipantDo you allow for hidden units? If so, you might want something a little lighter than the one in the pic–especially if you want to spring an “unscouted” one on players.
And when you move north, call it a “wadi” .
Hafen von SchlockenbergParticipantOK, but now it’s worrying me. One quick check of Greg Novak’s AWI book finds him wondering where all these jagers came from, since,for instance Hesse Cassel sent more units to America than they were able to raise during the SYW.
I’ll do some more looking when I get back from my semiannual haircut.
Hafen von SchlockenbergParticipantGulp. I was afraid someone would ask for sources.
It’s been several years, and I was reading several different books at the time, but I’ll make an effort to track it down.
Hafen von SchlockenbergParticipantBennington? They were there.
On the jagers, there has been some discussion about whether all of the ones shipped over were what they were purported to be, for some of the same reasons mentioned above.
But,if you’re hurting for skirmishers. . .
Hafen von SchlockenbergParticipantI was thinking the same. I recall reading the comment of a British officer from the flanking force at Brandywine:
“We stepped off all together, and that was the last we saw of them”.
Hafen von SchlockenbergParticipantOK — at least, not without smiling!
Alright, I admit I’m just too lazy to type out the whole thing. But neither of those are very respectful, so how about something a little more dignified, like the vocative? I’ll try it:
“O Saurus! I discover that deleting a file from tinypic also deletes it from the forum on which it was posted. This is deplorable!”
How’s that?
PS– Same goes for me,BTW. You can call me HvS, Hafen, or even “Haf” (if you must).
I’ve been called worse. . .
Now to see if I can track down that pic again.
Hafen von SchlockenbergParticipantYow, two more fascinating articles!
Interesting that, rare though they are, a few examples of the antler soft hammers have been discovered. I’ve seen someone using this stone-knapping technique in person, and there are several demonstrations on youtube.
I have to confess that reading about Aboriginal art invariably ends up with me rewatching The Last Wave.
Sigh. I’m just too predictable.
EDIT: Glad to find there’s at least one Prehistoric gamer here–as a newbie, I wasn’t sure if this particular area would be welcome.
Hafen von SchlockenbergParticipantAnd thanks for the link to that interesting article, Ochoin. In fact that, plus your mention of perishable materials, reminded me of something.
Ever since the discovery of the cave paintings, part of the discourse surrounding them has centered on the question of why they were created in such inaccessible places. The various suggestions put forward make sense. But. . .
Years ago I read a novel based on another possibility — the premise that this “primitive” art (it was anything but, of course) was made, not just in caves, but outside them,too.
The novel follows the career of a gifted artist who makes his paintings on rock walls. I don’t recall if any mention made of other materials, such as wood, for sculpture. In any case, if such things existed, they are long gone, leaving only the cave art.
I regret that I can remember neither title nor author.
If it rings a bell for anyone, I’d like to hear about it.
If nothing else, that possibility, along with the body painting suggested by your link, does widen the scope for Prehistoric players to add some color* to their game tables.
*Or perhaps I should say “tart up”!
Hafen von SchlockenbergParticipantOh,BTW, Auto–may I call you “Auto”?
I did catch your meaning, and it evoked visions of Monty Python! But that led to an “on the other hand” scenario,involving Pachelbel.
On the, er, third hand, now I’m thinking of a crew press-ganged from the ranks of superfluous literary critics:
I blame too much youthful Python-viewing.
Hafen von SchlockenbergParticipantAs it happens, a Combat Harpsichord Ensemble did make an appearance, in the Ben Franklin’s War game, at last year’s Historicon:
Very impressive it was, too!
Hafen von SchlockenbergParticipantOK,OK, I take your point!
But, although off topic a bit, I want to be fair to the Clone Army Band, so will allow them to show themselves in slightly more martial mood:
Perhaps those will restore some discipline to the ranks?
Hafen von SchlockenbergParticipantI’ve toyed with the idea of using brown or green string to mark contour lines,as on a topographic map, but never gotten past the “thinking about” stage.
Hafen von SchlockenbergParticipantFor balance, I suppose I should add this:
“Meanwhile, on board the Regent”:
I know, I know– wrong century. But I couldn’t resist!
McKinstry: Did you catch that last helicopter shot? Sweet revenge!
Hafen von SchlockenbergParticipantHa! I missed that!
But if they had to get through it 200 times, sure helps explain how they got sunk:
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